elihimmet Posted December 21, 2013 Share #1 Posted December 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello forum members, I did a year ago bought my first Leica lens: A 50mm Summilux ASHP. Since then I use this lens on XPro1. Now there is an opportunity for me to get a second hand leica M Monochrome I am planning to move to Leica equipment. I have a few questions: Seller asking € 4,000. Is this a good price? How and where can I check that it is not a stolen camera? Is there a register of stolen Leica cameras in Europe and especially in the Netherlands? And like any tips on where I should pay attention. Thank you! elihimmet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jip Posted December 21, 2013 Share #2 Posted December 21, 2013 Hello, and welcome to the forum! Yes in my opinion 4000 euro is a very good price for a monochrom, I'm not quite sure about a way to trace stolen camera equipment but others might know more about this... The 50 lux and Monochrom will be a delight way to capture images. But don't forget the older Leica glass performs really really well too on the Monochrom! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkB17 Posted December 21, 2013 Share #3 Posted December 21, 2013 I assume that the answer already lies in the question. EUR 4.000 is obviously too good to be true. Either you will not get a camera or you will get a stolen one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMc Posted December 21, 2013 Share #4 Posted December 21, 2013 Not sure on pricing, however I don't see how anyone can say based on that price it's a bad or dodgy deal. I would say that you ask for proof of purchase check with the retailer and perhaps only do the deal in person. I've had a deal or two with people who just need cash and dealers bid so harshly that perhaps 4k is what the guy needs! Stay sharp, don't transfer cash and validate proof of purchase/ ownership. Andy Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted December 21, 2013 Share #5 Posted December 21, 2013 I assume that the answer already lies in the question. EUR 4.000 is obviously too good to be true. Either you will not get a camera or you will get a stolen one. I agree. This is quite a low price for a used MM. The only way to ensure peace of mind with a used Leica of this value is to buy from an authorised Leica dealer, or at least a reputable specialist dealer, both of whom will have checked the camera (and its history) when they took it into stock. They will almost always offer a warranty, irrespective of whether there is any Leica warranty remaining. I know one UK specialist dealer who offers a 1 year warranty on all used Leica equipment, but only 6 months on other 'high end' gear. The Monochrom is a beautiful tool, which you cannot fail to enjoy. So it's simply not worth trying to save money at this point by taking a risk, only to have the dream turn nasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted December 21, 2013 Share #6 Posted December 21, 2013 Buying second hand gear is always a bit of a gamble. Buying from a reputable dealer who offers a warranty is the safest way but this is reflected in the price. In the case of a private sale or on eBay it is best to ask if the original receipt is available, if the camera comes in its original packaging with manual, charger, leads etc. If using eBay and payPal be careful to observe all the rules to ensure a degree of protection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elihimmet Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted December 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello every one, Thanks a lot for your advices. I asked for an appointment in Amsterdam. And I'm waiting for his reaction. I won't accept the deal without being sure. But I have to say that I'm still interested in this camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
becker Posted December 21, 2013 Share #8 Posted December 21, 2013 its a realistic price for B&W only Cam , if someone needs the money quick, its realistic too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted December 21, 2013 Share #9 Posted December 21, 2013 If you can go and visit the current owner of the camera in person, and he can validate ownership of the camera (receipt and original packing) then €4000 is a good price. There may be a very valid reason for the price, for example the seller needs money quickly, and €4000 is probably slightly above the value a dealer may have offered him to buy his camera from him. If it it is from a dealer in Amsterdam, rather than an individual, then maybe you can let me know which one - I know a fair number of them and maybe be able to give you an opinion. Would also be happy to come along and check it out with you if you want a second pair of eyes.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomv Posted December 21, 2013 Share #10 Posted December 21, 2013 An MM in good condition will fetch € 5000. I would not trust this offer. At all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruniroquai Posted December 21, 2013 Share #11 Posted December 21, 2013 The only second hand shop I would trust is in ApertureUK, also the repair service is excellent. For Brand New items, nothing like reddotcameras. I'm just talking about the UK. And believe me, I know most of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elihimmet Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted December 22, 2013 Thank you Simon, It could be great if you can join me. It is a person and not a dealer. Up to now I didn't hear from him. When I have a reaction, I will let you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 22, 2013 Share #13 Posted December 22, 2013 Not touching and bargepoles come to mind… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arno_nyhm Posted December 22, 2013 Share #14 Posted December 22, 2013 in the first place, i'd be checking, who is selling this item and if i could take a closer look before paying. no chance, i'd be paying in advance and hope for delivery. this offer is at least one grand off the street price, there must be a clue: either the camera don't exist, is broken or stolen or a combination of this. if it's a friend of yours selling it - camera for cash - it might be ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 22, 2013 Share #15 Posted December 22, 2013 I saw an ad on Gumtree for a new Canon 5D with an L zoom for £500. I knew it must be a scam but tried calling the number for fun. Amazingly someone answered and immediately hung up when I spoke. I redialled and it went to voicemail - I guess they will only 'trade' by email and bank transfer! These scammers trade on the greed of people who can't resist grabbing an amazing bargain in the belief that they are getting one over on a dumb or desperate vendor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted December 24, 2013 Share #16 Posted December 24, 2013 The only second hand shop I would trust is in ApertureUK, also the repair service is excellent. For Brand New items, nothing like reddotcameras. I'm just talking about the UK. And believe me, I know most of them. +1, for both dealers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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