Double triple exposures on a single frame?

[rafael_macia]

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I wonder how I would take multiple exposures on a single frame?

I am using an M9P and an M 240.

 

thanks

Rafael

[01af]

Take several exposures, then blend them into a single frame.

[250swb]

Photoshop can blend multiple exposures automatically, and even doing it crudely by reducing the opacity of each image by an equal amount then cut and paste each picture on top of the next would work. Using Layers you could start to get more complicated and adjust individual elements in each picture on a selective basis before combining them. It can be as simple or as complicated as you want it to be.

 

Steve

[rafael_macia]

I should have explained further;

I don't want to combine images. My interest is to take multiple exposures with flash indoors, The exposures would underexpose the indoors, but expose the view outdoors, correctly. (ie. through ,say a window.)

A series of such exposures would match the interior exposure, to the exterior exposure.

 

The picture outside the window, and the room would be balanced in exposure ....... without having to over light the interior.

 

It is a technique, not often used today, but in the past used by architectural photographers.

 

In short; how can I shoot multiple exposures on the same frame .... in camera. ?

 

thanks !

[pfhrased]

I should have explained further;

I don't want to combine images. My interest is to take multiple exposures with flash indoors, The exposures would underexpose the indoors, but expose the view outdoors, correctly. (ie. through ,say a window.)

A series of such exposures would match the interior exposure, to the exterior exposure.

 

The picture outside the window, and the room would be balanced in exposure ....... without having to over light the interior.

 

It is a technique, not often used today, but in the past used by architectural photographers.

 

In short; how can I shoot multiple exposures on the same frame .... in camera. ?

 

thanks !

 

I don't believe there's any facility for that in the Leica firmware. You may be better off with using bracketing and combining the images in post.

[Jeff S]

There are DSLRs with in-camera HDR functions. The digital Leicas have no in-camera multiple exposure facility.

 

Last time I did this was with a Canon EF, in 1977, that allowed for shutter cocking without film advance. Just needed to appropriately adjust ASA, depending on number of exposures. Now digital PP techniques make this easy with any camera, after the fact.

 

Jeff

[250swb]

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The picture outside the window, and the room would be balanced in exposure ....... without having to over light the interior.

 

It is a technique, not often used today, but in the past used by architectural photographers.

 

What you are describing, unless there is another fiendish twist, is known as HDR (High Dynamic Range), a very common digital technique. But rather than one multiple exposure per sheet of film it is done differently nowadays, because even if the camera can do HDR it still needs more than one exposure for the camera to sort it out. As the Leica can't do that it is a manual post processing job.

 

Again, you can make two (or more) exposures, and cut and paste the well exposed exterior onto the well exposed interior, use Photoshop or an HDR software programme to automatically do the job for you, or use Layers to further tweak the images with greater refinements. But you need to make more than one exposure, if your exterior has a bright contrast range you may need a couple for that alone, if your interior has lamps that need to be lit you may need a separate exposure for those alone. It is no different in effect to doing it on one sheet of film with multiple exposures except you have far more control than in the days of film and far fewer failures by miscalculation.

 

Steve

[tobey bilek]

Just as with film, take your flash to expose the interior the way you want it exposed.

 

Figure the exposure thru the window using the f # for the flash and adjust shutter speed accordingly. Flash will sync at normal flash speed and slower.

 

Most control is HDR Where white balance can be adjusted for outdoors with the fast exposures and differently for indoors.

 

Another technique is to run a slow shutter and f stop that exposes flash properly. The flash will make the room appear normal, but the slow speed will allow the nice warm light from incandescent bulbs to color the area near the light. Try 1/8 to 1/30 sec.

[01af]

I don't want to combine images.

Yes, you do.

 

 

In short; how can I shoot multiple exposures on the same frame ... in camera?

You'd do this exactly the same way as you would on film ... except the actual blending isn't done in-camera but in post-processing.

[pico]

One picture (or two) to expose for the outdoors

Another picture (or two) for indoors

 

Photoshop

 

File -> Automate -> Merge to HD Pro

[250swb]

If not Photoshop then Photomatix is a good, and not too expensive, dedicated HDR programme, although it is possible to go too far with it and make things look weird

 

HDR photography software & plugin for Lightroom, Aperture & Photoshop - Tone Mapping, Exposure Fusion & High Dynamic Range Imaging for photography

 

Steve

[sanyasi]

It doesn't say how he is doing it, but apparently double exposures are possible with some digital cameras. It says Photoshop was not used.

 

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[vanhulsenbeek]

If not Photoshop then Photomatix is a good, and not too expensive, dedicated HDR programme, although it is possible to go too far with it and make things look weird

 

HDR photography software & plugin for Lightroom, Aperture & Photoshop - Tone Mapping, Exposure Fusion & High Dynamic Range Imaging for photography

 

Steve

 

The latest, two weeks ago released, version no 5 has a special mode for Real estate Photography: "described as inside with a view out of a window" . Try the trial version.

[250swb]

It doesn't say how he is doing it, but apparently double exposures are possible with some digital cameras. It says Photoshop was not used

 

I think he's a bit sly to say Photoshop wasn't used (like he gets a Gold Star for it on his homework) because the in-camera software is still layering separate shots with all the controls of the camera to adjust each exposure, colour etc. It is essentially the same process but the camera is crunching the numbers, not Photoshop. No different really than setting the camera to 'vintage B&W' or some other preset and boasting you don't use Photoshop.

 

Steve

[250swb]

The latest, two weeks ago released, version no 5 has a special mode for Real estate Photography: "described as inside with a view out of a window" . Try the trial version.

 

I was thinking about how awful estate agent photography can be nowadays when I was reading my local free paper. The HDR is dreadful so I hope the latest Photomatix can do a better and more subtle job of it. All they need next is a software programme to automatically turn a dreary wet and cold winters day into sunshine and flowers, or blue sea and palm trees, and the view out the window will be complete.

 

Steve

[Photoskeptic]

There is someone named "tonyynot" who posts on the "Monochrom shots" in the "Other" images section with double negatives shot with a Monochrom. He has posted many images and I believe a follow-up on one of them describes the method he uses.

[jto555]

Hi Rafeal, I know exactly what you are looking for. No you can't do it just in camera. The best results are got by combining the images in layers in Photoshop. Have a look at this video:

 

 

HDR was suggested but may not do what you are looking for as the results can look false. The technique in the video will take quite a few hours in postproduction but the results are superb.

 

John

[rafael_macia]

A lot of information here ...... thanks!

 

Yes, my interest was connected to architectural photography. I enjoy using ambient light without flash.

It would be nice to see out the windows to a nice exposure in this shot.

the technique I mentioned earlier, had to do with using a flash at high synch speed, multiple times to balance indoor with outdoor exposures. As I do not like to use lighting, but rather the ambient light; the flash method is not a solution for me.

If HDR can do it, that might be the answer.

also the Photoshop "real Estate photography" angle on Version 5, sounds interesting as well.

 

I am going to save this thread as a PDF reference.

 

Rafael

 

this shot is with an M9 on "A", 200 ISO, tripod, Zeiss ZM 18mm

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[pico]

the technique I mentioned earlier, had to do with using a flash at high synch speed, multiple times to balance indoor with outdoor exposures. As I do not like to use lighting, but rather the ambient light; the flash method is not a solution for me.

 

If you use bounce flash off the wall behind the camera, or use an umbrella, it might fill in just enough to have a more pleasing fill than HDR usually produces. Also, before merging in HDR it would be good to color balance the scenes.

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[davidbaddley]

If HDR looks too fakey for you, here's another simple technique:

 

Make first exposure to capture full detail in darkest shadow of interior.

 

For second shot, cut exposure in half using the shutter (not aperture or ISO, so picture doesn't change in depth-of-field or grain).

 

For third shot, cut exposure in half again.

 

Continue, cutting exposure in half each time, until you capture full detail in brightest highlight of exterior (This usually takes me 5 or 6 total shots).

 

In Photoshop, create a single document using each of these exposures as a separate layer. Arrange them with the first (lightest) exposure on the bottom of the stack, then the next, etc, with the darkest on top.

 

Double-click on the top layer to get its Layer Style panel. The Blending Sliders are at the bottom of this panel. Option-click and drag shadow slider of "This Layer" gradient to break it in half. Place the left half of the shadow slider all the way to the left, and drag the right half of the shadow slider all the way to the right.

 

Perform the same procedure for each of the other layers, except for the layer on the bottom of the stack.

 

Then process as usual. This will give you a picture with the highlight detail of the darkest exposure, the shadow detail of the lightest exposure, and a nice transition in between, with none of the fakey color or weird artifacts associated with HDR. Hope this helps.

 

- David