sean_reid Posted April 18, 2007 Share #21 Posted April 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks Sean, i am mainly looking for a prime portrait lens and the idea of "saving" by getting a cv75 and not 75 cron (not sure if this is an appropriate term in this context) a couple of grand is quite appealing. misha Try it. If you don't like it, which is unlikely, sell it. You won't lose much. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Hi sean_reid, Take a look here CV15mm beats the WATE????. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
misha Posted April 18, 2007 Share #22 Posted April 18, 2007 good idea. will sleep on it and will probably get one tomorrow. fortunately, b&h is close. as it is rf coupled (just checking), cv75 brings up the correct framelines and no additional viewfinder is required?! m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted April 18, 2007 Share #23 Posted April 18, 2007 Yes, so long as you use a 50/75 adapter. There's no need for coding so the CV adapters are fine. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share #24 Posted April 18, 2007 The CV is a good lens and I haven't yet tested it against the WATE at 16 (coming up soon) *but* something seems off with that WATE sample. Check focus, etc. to be sure and then discuss with Leica. I'd do a few rounds more of testing to be sure though. Cheers, Sean Hi Sean, I´m really corious what will come out of your testing. Looking forward to it. all best Frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share #25 Posted April 18, 2007 at f8 the depth of field should be more than enough to render the entire image sharply. looks like there's a problem with the lens to me. best...Peter I agree, it must be the lens. But, Leica fixed mine once, why should they not fix it at all? they respondet to my email that after the alignment the lens now outperforms due to their quality standart. The question now is, how good performs the WATE at 16mm? Is there anybody around here who can offer some 100% comparison crops between 16mm WATE and CV15mm at f8 of small details that look at least the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusque Posted April 18, 2007 Share #26 Posted April 18, 2007 Is there anybody around here who can offer some 100% comparison crops between 16mm WATE and CV15mm at f8 of small details that look at least the same? Guy maybe ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 18, 2007 Share #27 Posted April 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...i am mainly looking for a prime portrait lens and the idea of "saving" by getting a cv75 and not 75 cron... a couple of grand is quite appealing... I don't own one so take what i say with a pinch of salt but the Heliar 75 doesn't focus closer than one meter if i remember well. Do a search on photo.net where Andy Piper made a comparison with the 'cron 75/2 a couple of years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha Posted April 18, 2007 Share #28 Posted April 18, 2007 I don't own one so take what i say with a pinch of salt but the Heliar 75 doesn't focus closer than one meter if i remember well. Do a search on photo.net where Andy Piper made a comparison with the 'cron 75/2 a couple of years ago. found it, thanks! you are right, it is 1m vs. .7m. But, like Sean said, i will just try and see. with M bayonnet adaptor its only $360 or so vs. 2700. well worth a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
portocar Posted April 18, 2007 Share #29 Posted April 18, 2007 Sean Any chance you can also compare the Contax Carl Zeiss Hologon 16mm f/8 lens? I know there are a few floating around witht he M mount. Or they can be converted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted April 18, 2007 Share #30 Posted April 18, 2007 Guy maybe ? Oops posted them on the other thread. LOL Need more coffee http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/21994-wate-mixed-review-reponses-photo.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share #31 Posted April 18, 2007 Oops posted them on the other thread. LOL Need more coffee http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/21994-wate-mixed-review-reponses-photo.html Hi guy, well thanks, but at these size my WATE pictures look fine, too. Does anybody has a comparision of the same location, shot with the 16mmWATE and the CV 15mm at f8 and can show us a 100% crop so we can compare the details? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted April 18, 2007 Share #32 Posted April 18, 2007 Hi guy, well thanks, but at these size my WATE pictures look fine, too. Does anybody has a comparision of the same location, shot with the 16mmWATE and the CV 15mm at f8 and can show us a 100% crop so we can compare the details? I have both lenses but not with me right now. Give me til sometime friday and I'll do it! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard_cummer Posted April 18, 2007 Share #33 Posted April 18, 2007 Hi Sean, As you can see I finally got my link to the Forum to work! I have the Nokton 40 SC and my local camera repair guy took a file to it so that it brings up the 35mm framelines in my M8. It just took a couple of gentle passes. The 35mm frameline gives a pretty good indication of the field of view of the 40. If you find some way to code the lens - given that there is a screw in the coding path I would certainly like to hear about it. Best Regards Howard (in Hong Kong) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted April 18, 2007 Share #34 Posted April 18, 2007 In a perfect world we'd all have two (or more!) M8 bodies and only properly 6-bit coded Leica optics. However, my current kit of M-glass now is equally split between Leica and CV. These days, since my 28mm is the Ultron, I find myself shooting with CV glass more and more. I just picked-up a used 15mm Heliar. I agree with the sentiments already expressed on this site about this particular optic: its painless to buy and is able to deliver many very exceptional images. I have found that, absent synthetic black material in the field of view, the Heliar works just fine without any filter at all. But there's always a persistent itch that drives me towards a compatible coding solution for all my CV glass in hopes that they perfectly spoof Leica lenses and operate in total harmony with any "code aware" M8. I suspect that JLM's idea of offering a fresh supply of newly-machined adapter rings for CV lenses will find lots of support amonst our growing circle of frustrated but driven M8 owners. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted April 18, 2007 Share #35 Posted April 18, 2007 Misha, you get what you pay for, the Leica 75 f2 is one of the finest lenses ever made. It will increase in value as time goes on so money saved now might be money lost later. For mostly portrait use, look at the 90 2.8 . Remember , regardless of mag factor a 75 is still a 75 with characteristics and dof of a 75mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted April 18, 2007 Share #36 Posted April 18, 2007 One certainly does get what he or she pays for with Leica lenses but what more and more people are slowly coming to realize is that with some lenses, one gets what he or she "didn't" pay for. <G> Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha Posted April 19, 2007 Share #37 Posted April 19, 2007 One certainly does get what he or she pays for with Leica lenses but what more and more people are slowly coming to realize is that with some lenses, one gets what he or she "didn't" pay for. <G> Cheers, Sean i sincerely wish to concur ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mondello Posted April 19, 2007 Share #38 Posted April 19, 2007 I took this lens out for a walk today and aside from some back-focusing close up -- probably my fault -- I think the results are terrific. The lens I mean, my shots are nothing special, just getting used to the new lens . . . A few of these with the 40 Nokton, but 80% with the 75 Heliar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha Posted April 19, 2007 Share #39 Posted April 19, 2007 I took this lens out for a walk today and aside from some back-focusing close up -- probably my fault -- I think the results are terrific. The lens I mean, my shots are nothing special, just getting used to the new lens . . . A Gray Day - a photoset on Flickr A few of these with the 40 Nokton, but 80% with the 75 Heliar. cool. i wonder how many m8s are now in new york? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
l.ceva Posted April 19, 2007 Share #40 Posted April 19, 2007 For mostly portrait use, look at the 90 2.8 . Remember , regardless of mag factor a 75 is still a 75 with characteristics and dof of a 75mm What you mean with charateristics? Focal lengh and luminosity ofcourse remain the same but all the rest is in strict relationship with the format you are using. The perspective dipends from subject distance; to get the same frame you get with a 100 on 24x36 you must stay at he same distance from the subject with your 75 on the M8 so the perspective you get is exacly the same you get from a 100 mm on 24x36. The only difference between a 100 on 24x36 and a 75 on M8 is in DOF but still is not the same DOF of a 75 on 24x36, infact with the 75 on M8 the DOF is more than a 100 as the focal lenght is inferior but due to the magnification factor of the M8 the DOF is less then a 75 on a 24x36. ciao lorenzo http://www.lorenzocevavalla.it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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