Alessandro Fanchin Posted April 15, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted April 15, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) After annoying discussions with people telling that the above two cameras are exactly the same, I found finally a good article on an italian specialized magazine, that tells the differences between the two machines, mainly in the firmware and in the software. The writer finds also many differences in the final results, (quality of contrast, colours, jpegs, etc.). Â The article is 10 pages long, and it is really worthwile to read it if it is of interest. The magazine is PC-Photo - Il Progresso Fotografico of April 2007. Â It think that there should be also some other articles about this subject around in foreign magazines, as well as other articles about the diffrencies of the other Leica digital cameras and their Panasonic equivalent. Is there anyone that can list them here in this thead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 Hi Alessandro Fanchin, Take a look here Leica Digilux 3 and Panasonic DMC-L1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
andit Posted April 15, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted April 15, 2007 Hi Alessandro, Â Don't forget that with the Leica you get a much longer warranty, and it includes much better software in the package... Â Not exactly anything to do with the camera, but certainly worth consideration. Â Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Fanchin Posted April 15, 2007 Author Share #3  Posted April 15, 2007 Hi Alessandro, Don't forget that with the Leica you get a much longer warranty, and it includes much better software in the package...  Not exactly anything to do with the camera, but certainly worth consideration.  Andreas  It is implied in my post that i prefer Leica, and I was looking for months for technical articles telling the world whye we prefer it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted April 15, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted April 15, 2007 Hi Alessandro reviews of Digilux 3 are pretty much non existent Sean Reid will be finishing his soon I hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Fanchin Posted April 15, 2007 Author Share #5  Posted April 15, 2007 Hi Alessandroreviews of Digilux 3 are pretty much non existent Sean Reid will be finishing his soon I hope  The review that I was referring is existent, although it is written in Italian. I know that the times when Italian was an important language are over, but I suggest to read it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted April 15, 2007 Share #6  Posted April 15, 2007 The review that I was referring is existent, although it is written in Italian. I know that the times when Italian was an important language are over, but I suggest to read it! sort of off their rounds out here in Australia i guess mate but if they send me a copy i can look at the pictures there are a few L1 reviews to go by for interest  Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review  Megapixel.net  DCRP Review: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1  Panasonic Lumix DMC L1 Review  Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 full review Cameralabs introduction  Panasonic DMC-L1 Digital SLR - PhotographyBLOG  Camera Test: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 - - PopPhotoDecember 2006  Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1  BIOS: Technology Means Business  Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 Digital SLR - Digital Camera Reviews - Photoxels  TrustedReviews - Panasonic DMC-L1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Fanchin Posted April 15, 2007 Author Share #7  Posted April 15, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you Riley, I was obviously joking.  I will try to find and online article to post here about what I am referring, and I am sure that a friend that speaks a little Italian can be found everywhere.  I have checked now: probably they will post the test after a month or two after the publication on the paper magazine. The web site of the company publishing the magazine PC-Photo is http://www.fotografia.it  Everybody ca subscribe the newsletter so he/she will be informed about the new postings on the web site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andit Posted April 15, 2007 Share #8  Posted April 15, 2007 Amateur Photographer (UK based magazine) did a complete review of the Leica Digilux 3 on 9 December 2006. They reviewed the L1 sometime earlier and do comparisons between the two. You should be able to find it at Amateur Photographer - news, camera reviews, lens reviews, camera equipment guides, photography courses, competitions, photography forums - Amateur Photographer - news, camera reviews, lens reviews, camera equipment guides, photography courses, competitions, photography forums  Hope this helps you.  Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Fanchin Posted April 15, 2007 Author Share #9 Â Posted April 15, 2007 Thank you!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harjtt Posted April 16, 2007 Share #10  Posted April 16, 2007 The Amateur Photographer (UK based magazine) review on the two cameras was a bit of an eye opener to me. On the one hand the DMC L1 got a decent review but they weren't over the moon with it - they really liked the lens, IQ up to ISO800 but cost, non articulated/tilt LCD and liveview implementation were some of the negatives. Then a couple of months later the D3 was reviewd and they loved it - no mention of the LCD issue and liveview, and the review was done by the same person. Both reviews are pretty detailed.  Cheers  Harj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted April 16, 2007 Share #11  Posted April 16, 2007 hey Harjtt ! i believe they seem to at last recognise that a tilt LCD would be desirable in the last firmware fix they implemented something that assists looking at the LCD from an angle  cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted April 16, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted April 16, 2007 The review that I was referring is existent, although it is written in Italian. I know that the times when Italian was an important language are over, but I suggest to read it! Â If reviews were sung, Italian would be back with a vengeance! <G> Â Cheers, Â Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted April 16, 2007 Share #13  Posted April 16, 2007 The Amateur Photographer (UK based magazine) review on the two cameras was a bit of an eye opener to me. On the one hand the DMC L1 got a decent review but they weren't over the moon with it - they really liked the lens, IQ up to ISO800 but cost, non articulated/tilt LCD and liveview implementation were some of the negatives. Then a couple of months later the D3 was reviewd and they loved it - no mention of the LCD issue and liveview, and the review was done by the same person. Both reviews are pretty detailed. Cheers  Harj  Hmmm... I find that interesting and a bit worrying. Without knowing more detail of the reviews and just what the reviewer especially liked on the D3 vs. L1 I find it odd as AFAIK the LCD/Liveview are identical. Starry eyed over the red dot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
audidudi Posted April 16, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted April 16, 2007 in the last firmware fix they implemented something that assists looking at the LCD from an angle I haven't gotten around to downloading the updated firmware yet, so I can't speak with any degree of authority as to what may or may not be different, but I can say that my L1 already had a "high-angle" option for the LCD even before the firmware was updated the first time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted April 16, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted April 16, 2007 I haven't gotten around to downloading the updated firmware yet, so I can't speak with any degree of authority as to what may or may not be different, but I can say that my L1 already had a "high-angle" option for the LCD even before the firmware was updated the first time... Â Well the new V2.0 firmware for the L1, there is a whole raft of new features that the D3 doesn't get....(yet). Â One of these is "low angle shooting". Â As I said previously....With V2.0...I believe the in-camera JPEGs are improved over V1.10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted April 16, 2007 Share #16  Posted April 16, 2007 Well the new V2.0 firmware for the L1, there is a whole raft of new features that the D3 doesn't get....(yet). One of these is "low angle shooting".  As I said previously....With V2.0...I believe the in-camera JPEGs are improved over V1.10  Yep - low angle shooting via LCD has been added - it adds a sub-menu when you press and hold display.  As I said elsewhere earlier: "Incidentally I was out shooting yesterday (RAW) but set the jpeg "thumb" to lowest quality and smallest size. I was pleasantly surprised at how good the approx.0.5Mb jpegs were. Could this be to do with the compression or have Panasonic been fiddling with the processing in the v2 firmware update? I must run some comparisons at various jpeg sizes.qualities. (Oh no! - not more work )" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giulio Zanni Posted April 16, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted April 16, 2007 Hi Alessandro, Â I read the article you are referring to. Sorry but, despite being a Leica fan, to me the article sounded more how to justify the substantial price difference between the Leica and the Panasonic. Â Giulio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Fanchin Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share #18  Posted April 16, 2007 Hi Alessandro, I read the article you are referring to. Sorry but, despite being a Leica fan, to me the article sounded more how to justify the substantial price difference between the Leica and the Panasonic.  Giulio  Maybe you are right, but the differences pointed out in the article are real and not a fantasy. I mean the differences in firmware and software, the results will be judged by anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted April 16, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted April 16, 2007 yes but if you shoot RAW its the same in both cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 16, 2007 Share #20  Posted April 16, 2007 yes but if you shoot RAWits the same in both cameras  Not entirely true. The RAW processing is slightly different. Leica, for whatever reason, set the RAW processing engine to their liking instead of Panasonic.  RAW data is collected but still must be processed to digital for photographs.  And...................as far as the extra price goes the warranty makes up for some, but not all, of the extra price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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