jaapv Posted January 20, 2015 Share #641 Posted January 20, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Let's see this in perspective. On film a 1 minute exposure would have you deep into reciproxity failure.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bocaburger Posted January 20, 2015 Share #642 Posted January 20, 2015 My M240 manual says the same thing about T mode using the selftimer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 20, 2015 Share #643 Posted January 20, 2015 Sorry, but this is false information for the type 240. Maximum exposure for Type 240 is 60 seconds no matter what you do. There is no T-function. But I reckon this is true for at least M8.2... Well ... I just tried to do what the manual instructs -- and it doesn't work. So, there is a BUG in the software and Leica will just have to fix it, if in fact they think they have built it to give T when using the timer in B-setting. Leica, R U listening? Regards to all, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 20, 2015 Share #644 Posted January 20, 2015 It is more like a bug in the manual... Parts appear to be copy-pasted from the M9 manual without anybody actually reading them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 20, 2015 Share #645 Posted January 20, 2015 Sorry, but this is false information for the type 240. Maximum exposure for Type 240 is 60 seconds no matter what you do. There is no T-function. But I reckon this is true for at least M8.2... 60 sec, in some extreme situations, I agree that can be too short... but do exist digital cameras with a REAL T mode ? I don't know... but tend to think that with any electronics device it would be problematic not to give a hardware limitation to a theorical "infinite" exposure... it could cause some odd damaging if unproperly used (I ahve never tried, but do wonder if even in the sensor cleaning mode the shutter can be left opened "all the time I like"). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKasson Posted January 20, 2015 Share #646 Posted January 20, 2015 60 sec, in some extreme situations, I agree that can be too short... but do exist digital cameras with a REAL T mode ? I don't know... but tend to think that with any electronics device it would be problematic not to give a hardware limitation to a theorical "infinite" exposure... it could cause some odd damaging if unproperly used (I ahve never tried, but do wonder if even in the sensor cleaning mode the shutter can be left opened "all the time I like"). I don't know why not, with the proviso that dark current will eventually overwhelm the image. Just sitting there letting the photodiodes collect photons and the wells fill up doesn't use much energy, especially compared to multiplexing (or shifting, in the case of CCDs) performing the ADC function, and storing the data. If you really wanted to save power, you could turn off all the clocks except for whatever's watching for the release to be pressed again. However, with digital cameras, that's not the best way to get a low-noise image. You want to make repeated photographs with short times in between them, and combine them in post in a way that averages out the frame-variant noise, and lets you subtract out the frame-invariant noise. The best way to do that is with an intervalometer. Nikons and Canons have them built in. Sonys and Leicas don't. But you can add an external one and get just as good results. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 20, 2015 Share #647 Posted January 20, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Presumably your subjects don't move, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stussy2k Posted January 20, 2015 Share #648 Posted January 20, 2015 I wonder for us wide angle lovers if it would it be possible to a implement a lazy-man's color shift correction profile for ooc jpeg? Think something like the existing manual WB-Gray card "override", fused with something not too dissimilar to CornerFix/Flatfield. For raw I think it's obvious what you can or have to do. (For the time being I'm sticking to my M8) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted January 20, 2015 Share #649 Posted January 20, 2015 I wonder for us wide angle lovers if it would it be possible to a implement a lazy-man's color shift correction profile for ooc jpeg? Think something like the existing manual WB-Gray card "override", fused with something not too dissimilar to CornerFix/Flatfield. For raw I think it's obvious what you can or have to do. (For the time being I'm sticking to my M8) That's like asking for prints coming out of your Leica... Got to develop your negatives first don't use OOC JPEG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 20, 2015 Share #650 Posted January 20, 2015 Well, close. There are plenty of printers that you can stick your SD card into. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duoenboge Posted January 21, 2015 Share #651 Posted January 21, 2015 Hi! Here my wishlist: - thinner body - thinner body - thinner body - 35 MP - lowest ISO: 50, or digital grayfilter - much better EVF - les pattern noise (Bildrauschen) at higher ISO - more memory space - a version with winding by hand and without screen if full control by EVF - improved dust protection - focusindicator by grün/red light in LV (f.e. in the middle of the screen). Could be more efficiently than peaking. - a 200mm Summicron with good handling (not like 2/90!) - no video, no autofocus - maintain the wanderfully rangefinder (Messsucher). - maintain the beautifully red Leica dot. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted January 21, 2015 Share #652 Posted January 21, 2015 I have the the answer. After a few pages, I am convinced not to buy a 240 even at the current reduced price. Quit reading after 5 minutes of listening to people complain. The only thing that really irks me is the dead pixel red line & a service call. Totally ridiculous. At least give us a CD with a remapping function or give us something LR or ACR can fix . There are thinner M cameras with no buttons or programs. We used them successfully for decades. I do wish they would get off the soccer mom cameras, T , X, X2 or whatever they are called. We all know they are not Leica quality. Reminds me of the Cadillac Cimmeron from 1980`s, just a Chevy with leather seat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted January 21, 2015 Share #653 Posted January 21, 2015 People who post in forums are usually whiners, although this forum is better then most. Folk enjoying the product are not posting or are using the photo forum. There are a few nutters like me who occasionally post our positive impressions. Note that pixel issues on the M240 are very very rare and yes they have probably all posted here .... The M240 is the best camera I have ever used, period .... Everything else is tittle-tattle as we say in the UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 21, 2015 Share #654 Posted January 21, 2015 The M240 is the best camera I have ever used, period .... + 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted January 21, 2015 Share #655 Posted January 21, 2015 + another 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stussy2k Posted January 21, 2015 Share #656 Posted January 21, 2015 That's like asking for prints coming out of your Leica... Got to develop your negatives first don't use OOC JPEG Well, close. There are plenty of printers that you can stick your SD card into. Well as a lazy-man's solution as aforementioned. In more concrete terms to pass on a "passable" copy to my SWMBO who don't care for me dilly dallying with PP. Call her a "printer with an SD card slot" if you like - I certainly wouldn't dare! ;-) Alas it's likely never going to be implemented by Leica so one can only dream. For the frames I want to keep I will bring out the full toolbox - no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 21, 2015 Share #657 Posted January 21, 2015 +1 many times. When I got the M8, the bride said what's the big deal and I answered that it's the first time the camera has gotten out of the way. More so for the M9. Much more so for the M (240). Plus, all my Leica lenses still work with the same auto-focus! Regards to all, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 22, 2015 Share #658 Posted January 22, 2015 Many have been saying for a decade at least now that video is about to replace photos, but I very much doubt this for the simple fact that a video of 2-3 minutes can be summed up, in a photograph, and looked at, in an instant. Agreed. The loss of professional news photographers and competent editors is robbing us. I do not ordinarily expose my dislikes, but the proliferation of slurry, loosely made, overly long amateur videos just piss me off to no end, and the majority are self-absorbed wastes of our time. Edit: Wait, I'm not thorough yet. The choice for some of our US on-line media to use incomprehensible fake British accent talking-head actors is deplorable, and an insult to British speaking. I will stop here. Carry on. Perhaps this should be moved to Barnack's Bar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
renes Posted January 22, 2015 Share #659 Posted January 22, 2015 1). I wish variable magnification VF (like Fuji X-Pro1) but it's not gonna to happen, so... 2). 1:1 mag. VF like Bessa R3A - best for 35/50/75mm lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22, 2015 Share #660 Posted January 22, 2015 And I'm afraid that #2 isn't going to happen either for opto-mechanical reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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