viramati Posted May 19, 2014 Share #301 Posted May 19, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1. Some sort of electronic focus confirmation (don't know if it is possible technically) but a dot that lit up when the focus patch aligns would help older eyes 2. Hybrid EVF/OVF or at least a better EVF 3. Auto iso as in M9 4. Some weight lose would be nice 4. lastly I want it to make my morning cup of tea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sillbeers15 Posted May 19, 2014 Share #302 Posted May 19, 2014 A full frame 24MP manual focus rangefinder with EVF isn't going to provide M240 the premium product status for very long with alternative products like Sony A7 & A7R already offering full frame with interchangeable lens capability. I was indeed surprised at Leica offering the T which was rumoured for a length of time and suddenly appearing. In my thoughts, it kind of cannibalise the M by offering a EVIL camera to take on the superb M lenses and yet offering it's own range of AF lenses. However I now think Leica is actually putting the availability of the T as a experiment to gauge consumer's acceptance of a AF EVIL camera. If the T sells well, I'm certain the next M will incorporate AF lenses and accept the current MF M & R series lenses. As a consumer, I would be thrilled when the next M can be AF to take on a 28mm to 90mm zoom and a 80mm-200mm zoom and yet accepting the prime MF M wide angle and Noctilux lenses,...that in my mind would come close to become the perfect M and yet allowing Leica to develop a series of German made zoom lenses that will differentiate itself from the T series. If I now do not see the T as a canabalizing camera to the current M, then it must be a test mule for Leica to work on the next M! Hence I am now holding my horses on any further purchase on M lenses as I am pretty certain Leica will offer a new range of AF lenses for the up and coming new M! And I am ready to go fot it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john t Posted May 19, 2014 Share #303 Posted May 19, 2014 I think Leica are aware of the limitations with the m240,but the wish list in this thread is fanciful, why has the Sony cameras taken over the Leica forum, for me personally it does not come any near the m240. As for the so called colour problem "what problem"I belong to a top quality camera club where my m240 is the only Leica product being used out of 80 plus members.Nikons, Canons, Sony ,Olympus, Fuji,are all being used by the other members,but they all marvel about the quality of my images (prints and PDI's) Forum Members should make their own profiles and invest in a top quality monitor like the EIZO. Then make some A2 prints and compete in Competitions and Exhibitions. For Leica to make an update M240 incorporating suggestions from the wish list would be impossible in the M series. Leave the decisions up to the undisputed skill of the Leica experts. John T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted May 19, 2014 Share #304 Posted May 19, 2014 just one thing : that they remove totally the range finder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted May 19, 2014 Share #305 Posted May 19, 2014 just one thing : that they remove totally the range finder They did, it's called the Leica T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted May 19, 2014 Share #306 Posted May 19, 2014 They did, it's called the Leica T the T has a small sensor, I shall never buy it , and I want my 50 summilux to be a 50 not a 75 but I shall buy the first small system FF , certainly Sony + Zeiss if nothing comes from Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 19, 2014 Share #307 Posted May 19, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) If the T sells well, I'm certain the next M will incorporate AF lenses and accept the current MF M & R series lenses. This is more likely. Leica makes separate lines…M, S, X, T…for a reason. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted May 19, 2014 Share #308 Posted May 19, 2014 the T has a small sensor, I shall never buy it , and I want my 50 summilux to be a 50 not a 75but I shall buy the first small system FF , certainly Sony + Zeiss if nothing comes from Leica Like the M8. If you are not using a range finder, sensor size means less. What do you loose 1 f-stop DOF. I think the Leica T is the best you will get from Leica on this subject. If you must have FF and no rangefinder, then don't use the rangefinder... The M240 is far from being the best R replacement, but it's what Leica is providing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick932 Posted May 30, 2014 Share #309 Posted May 30, 2014 Remote Live view via WiFi and USB. Button Programmability. Higher resolutions LCD. Larger LCD. Better EVF. Keep compatibility of all parts from M (handgrip, EVF, camera case, straps and of course lenses) ISO 50-25600 usable NR option More megapixes Pixel binning. Full control software API. No more buttons, Touch screen (T Style interface) Brighter/better RF - (calibration free for life) GPS in camera. All connectivity in camera, no need for the additional handgrip. More modern looks. Better IQ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted May 30, 2014 Share #310 Posted May 30, 2014 Yes, and cheaper than any of the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted May 31, 2014 Share #311 Posted May 31, 2014 This is more likely. Leica makes separate lines…M, S, X, T…for a reason. Jeff Amateur Photographer published a series of interviews with Stefan Daniel (product manager at Leica) and Alfred Schopf (Leica's CEO). Here are the main pionts from the interviews: Leica received "very nice" amount of orders for the Leica T They chose APS-C sensor for the Leica T in order to keep the size of the camera and lenses small The Leica T sensor is made by Sony The Leica T is hand polished in Portugal Leica will not reveal the name of the manufacturer that makes Leica T lenses in Japan and apparently it is not Panasonic (I already reported rumors that the new T lenses could be produced by Sigma) In the future Leica T lenses could be produced in Germany as well The new plant in Wetzlar will provide at least a 50% increase in productivity Leica's revenue doubled in the three years after 2009 Leica produces around 1000 film cameras per year, 60% of them are sold in Japan On a potential full frame Leica T based camera, Leica's CEO answered: "Let's wait and see... Whatever I say can be misinterpreted. Might Leica show up with a full-format camera at some point, with an autofocus? Yes. Don't ask me about the design." When Leica produces a new FF AF Mirrorless camera and have the option to take on current M lenses, it can call it whatever, but will certainly cannibalise the M sales if the next M is still MF only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted May 31, 2014 Share #312 Posted May 31, 2014 This is more likely. Leica makes separate lines…M, S, X, T…for a reason. Jeff Exactly. We've talked about this many times. M cameras, M lenses, the M mount = all based on manual focus. I enjoy autofocus, but I don't expect an M camera to offer AF ever. If it did, it would be mis-named. However, it would not surprise me to see an M-like camera with autofocus and its own line of AF lenses. The new T is part of the way there and, appropriately, is not called the next M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick932 Posted June 15, 2014 Share #313 Posted June 15, 2014 Higher much Higher Dynamic Range Show Shadows and Highlights(over and under exposed) before taking the image. Better QC more characters in the copyright info Camera Shutter Counter. Deliver Camera with the counter on 0. We need to know if we buy new or used equipment - have this info available online. keep up the good work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted June 30, 2014 Share #314 Posted June 30, 2014 - More dynamic range, even if this means dropping down to 16-18MP. Maybe utilizing something like a dual gain read architecture like the sensor in the Arri Alexa uses. - Color science that is based on film (see Arri Alexa) that will produce more organic images. - 16bit files for better tonality - Bigger shooting buffer - A transparently integrated and very sophisticated metering system along the lines of Nikon etc. - Return of the non-LED frame lines - Frameline selector - Availability at launch. Having to wait 6-12 months to receive a camera that is on a 3 year life cycle is sort of silly. - Increased reliability / less quirks - Thinner body - I can live without video recording, but liveview is pretty useful. - I can live without the EVF, unless they can increase the refresh rate considerably. - Lower price (LOL) It sounds like I would like something more along the lines of the M-E, but unfortunately that may mean that you are always trailing the sensor in the M by a generation. Also whatever the 240 successor will be called as a Monochrom... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helohe Posted June 30, 2014 Share #315 Posted June 30, 2014 - Hybrid viewfinder (like in fuji x-pro etc..) - preferably CCD instead of CMOS - higher dynamic range - high iso with no noise - base iso of 50 - autofocus (although I can do without it) while keeping it fully compatible with old M lenses - weather sealed + weather sealed lenses - add option to manually define lens profiles (for non-leica lenses, leica cine lenses etc...) - shutter more quiet (like M6) or electronic first-curtain shutter - built in gps and wifi - offer a baseplate with door for battery and sd card - ultrasonic sensor cleaning - on sensor image stabilization Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted July 1, 2014 Share #316 Posted July 1, 2014 I frankly don't want anything new in the rangefinder as I am happy with my M9-P for now. However what would be great is for Leica to give a free loaner each time the camera goes in for an extended service, at least during the warranty period. What's the point in giving a 24 month warranty only to take back a few months when your camera needs servicing or calibration or parts replacement, due to no fault of the owner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 1, 2014 Share #317 Posted July 1, 2014 - Return of the non-LED frame lines - Frameline selector why would you want to lose the LED frame lines? regarding frameline selector, I never understood why this caused such an uproar. You honestly need to preview the fov for 4 prime lenses? come on seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted July 1, 2014 Share #318 Posted July 1, 2014 why would you want to lose the LED frame lines? It' not at the top of my list, but I wasn't exactly something I was yearning for either. regarding frameline selector, I never understood why this caused such an uproar. You honestly need to preview the fov for 4 prime lenses? come on seriously? I would describe it as more of a storm in a teacup. I prefer to reserve 'uproar' for more serious issues like a 'Hello Kitty' special edition or something similarly scandalous. It's not a feature I use every day, but over the past 20 years it's come in pretty handy at times and takes seriously less time than swapping out a lens. But in all seriousness I suspect that the main reason for Leica eliminating them is that they were seriously short on internal space for electronics. So, I seriously doubt that the lever will be reinstated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted July 1, 2014 Share #319 Posted July 1, 2014 One more feature: RAW histogram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #320 Posted July 1, 2014 It' not at the top of my list, but I wasn't exactly something I was yearning for either. . I quite like them. Better than the old ones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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