Photojazz Posted November 10, 2013 Share #21 Â Posted November 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks Pete, no box on mine, so left pulling whatever info is available from lens itself. Â It looks like mine is a 2 cam. My view doesn't seem to match exactly what I see on the page. I see the two for sure. The third one I don't think is there though. Â Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted November 10, 2013 Share #22  Posted November 10, 2013 A few lenses have the Leica code number inscribed on them but my 80 Summilux-R doesn't. If the code's not inscribed on the lens then it will be on its original box but if that's not available then it's a case of working out which code belongs to the lens by reading informative sources such as Jim Lager, Erwin Puts, Dennis Laney etc. For example I can identify my 80 Summilux-R as a 11881 because it has the ROM contacts. if yours has a single R 3rd cam only then it's also a 11881 but if it has two cams then it would be a 11880.  (Information on Leica R cams can be found here.  Pete.  Pete, I promise I do actually get out from time to time, but the code for the ROM variant is 11349! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 10, 2013 Share #23 Â Posted November 10, 2013 Pete, I promise I do actually get out from time to time, but the code for the ROM variant is 11349! Agh you're right of course, John, thanks. The ROM code is separated by a couple of lines in Hove 8th ed. after mentioning that 11881 could be modified to ROM and my eye didn't travel that far down. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 10, 2013 Share #24 Â Posted November 10, 2013 Now you've got me wondering. I have a non-ROM 80/1.4 that has one lever inside. I assume from the serial number it is a 1982, #3203xxx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jovic Posted November 10, 2013 Share #25  Posted November 10, 2013 The R80 was released in 1980 as a 3 cam lens with product code 11881. It was never a 2 cam R80 lens as the cameras available at the time, the R3 (released in 1976) and R4 (released in 1980), where R cam cameras.  The 11349 ROM version of the R80 came about in 1998 but the 11881 version was also available for purchase at the same time, ie you could choose either version for a short period, ('Leica. The Program', 1998, page 66). I'm not sure what the difference would be in the serial numbers if you compared a 11881 and 11349 from the same year, might be interesting to follow up. The 11881 was on the market for around 18+ years!  However there was only ever one optical version of this lens throughout it's life. No doubt changes where made along the way as materials/suppliers required substitution or as methods/coatings changed. It would be interesting to properly compare the first and last of the R80's but I suspect the differences would be subtle.  My R80 is one of the early 3 Cam lenses. I've owned it for around 20 years and purchased it after owning the Canon FD 85/1.2 SSC Aspherical and Contax 85/1.4. The Canon is sharper wide open and a beautiful lens. I would love to still have it, not so much the Contax however. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/215070-summilux-r-80mm-14-vs-canon-85mm-12/?do=findComment&comment=2462576'>More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 10, 2013 Share #26 Â Posted November 10, 2013 Interesting, John. The 8th Edition of the (Hove) Leica Pocket Book, the 2nd edition of Puts's Lens Compendium, and Chester Sartorius's 'Identifying Leica Lenses' all list 11880 for SL and SL2, which would be a 2-cam version wouldn't it? Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jovic Posted November 10, 2013 Share #27  Posted November 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting, John. The 8th Edition of the (Hove) Leica Pocket Book, the 2nd edition of Puts's Lens Compendium, and Chester Sartorius's 'Identifying Leica Lenses' all list 11880 for SL and SL2, which would be a 2-cam version wouldn't it? Pete.  Your quite right that the first version was 11880, but I'm not sure that it means there was a 2 cam version of the lens however. The 3 cam lenses are backward compatible to be used on the SL/SL2 cameras because in addition to the R cam which was required for the cameras of the day (R3/R4) they also have cams 1 and 2 (hence the name '3 cam') which are used by the earlier bodies/models. The 3rd cam (the 'R only' cam) is used on the R bodies, the other 2 cams are for earlier cameras.  It doesn't make sense to make a dedicated 2 cam lens, just for the SL/SL2 cameras which ceased production 4 years earlier, and then also make a 3 cam version which was also compatible with the SL/SL2's.  I've had a bit of a 'Google' to see (on auction sites or whatever is around at the time) the rear of the 11880's and the one's I've found have all 3 cams. Although it's possible to retrofit the third cam to 2 cam lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 11, 2013 Share #28  Posted November 11, 2013 The R80 was released in 1980 as a 3 cam lens with product code 11881. It was never a 2 cam R80 lens as the cameras available at the time, the R3 (released in 1976) and R4 (released in 1980), where R cam cameras. The 11349 ROM version of the R80 came about in 1998 but the 11881 version was also available for purchase at the same time, ie you could choose either version for a short period, ('Leica. The Program', 1998, page 66). I'm not sure what the difference would be in the serial numbers if you compared a 11881 and 11349 from the same year, might be interesting to follow up. The 11881 was on the market for around 18+ years!  However there was only ever one optical version of this lens throughout it's life. No doubt changes where made along the way as materials/suppliers required substitution or as methods/coatings changed. It would be interesting to properly compare the first and last of the R80's but I suspect the differences would be subtle.  My R80 is one of the early 3 Cam lenses. I've owned it for around 20 years and purchased it after owning the Canon FD 85/1.2 SSC Aspherical and Contax 85/1.4. The Canon is sharper wide open and a beautiful lens. I would love to still have it, not so much the Contax however.  I also have a 5D3 and an early R80. What adapter do you use and does it ever give focus confirmation? I would love to try some my Leica R glass on the Canon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 11, 2013 Share #29 Â Posted November 11, 2013 I also have a 5D3 and an early R80. What adapter do you use and does it ever give focus confirmation? I would love to try some my Leica R glass on the Canon. Lou, Â I've used a CameraQuest EOS to R adaptor on my 5D2 for a few years now because it's exceptionally well machined and, unlike other brands, can stay fitted to the camera while changing lenses so I only need one adaptor. Mine doesn't have focus confirmation although I believe it's possible to fit a third party confirmation detector to it. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 11, 2013 Share #30  Posted November 11, 2013 Lou, I've used a CameraQuest EOS to R adaptor on my 5D2 for a few years now because it's exceptionally well machined and, unlike other brands, can stay fitted to the camera while changing lenses so I only need one adaptor. Mine doesn't have focus confirmation although I believe it's possible to fit a third party confirmation detector to it.  Pete.  It seems everyone I talk to about this uses a 5D2 not the 5D3 and so it seems they function differently with R adapters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jovic Posted November 11, 2013 Share #31 Â Posted November 11, 2013 I also have a 5D3 and an early R80. What adapter do you use and does it ever give focus confirmation? I would love to try some my Leica R glass on the Canon. Â I use both the Cameraquest (which IIRC is a Kindai adapter) and the Fotodiox pro interchangeably. I don't think one is better than the other but I've never really analysed them either. Neither has chips for AF. I don't have much trouble focusing the R80 on the 5D2 although I've installed the eg-s focusing screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveclem Posted November 13, 2013 Share #32 Â Posted November 13, 2013 The Canon is a third of the price and faster if you can live with a lens not being Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted November 13, 2013 Share #33 Â Posted November 13, 2013 I use both the Cameraquest (which IIRC is a Kindai adapter) and the Fotodiox pro interchangeably. I don't think one is better than the other but I've never really analysed them either. Neither has chips for AF. I don't have much trouble focusing the R80 on the 5D2 although I've installed the eg-s focusing screen. Â Don't buy the chipped adapter from fotodiox. It will burn your camera out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted November 13, 2013 Share #34 Â Posted November 13, 2013 I sent my Summilux 80R to DAG some months ago & had him replace the mount to a Nikon D800. This turned out to be just amazing! The 80Lux is my favorite lens of all & the files from the Nikon D800 & D800E are off the charts. Â Interestingly, the D800/D800E body is rather small & light. Ergonomics are fantastic. If the 80Lux is on your radar map, the D800/D800E is the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooster123 Posted February 1, 2014 Share #35  Posted February 1, 2014 So where do you get those code numbers off the lens? Here's mine: Extremely clean copy. Sadly, I have nothing to shoot it on, and will likely sell it and put the money toward my savings for MM or M 240. We all have dreams, just different ones. :-) I really hate to see a nice lens like this get butchered with mount changes and stuff. An M 240 owner should own this copy. Beautiful lens. I wish I could use it now. Pretty heavy lens, but would cradle in the hand pretty nicely. I was going to convert it to Nikon mount. But I have since decided not to. I could, but it's just not my priority. My Leica system is my priority, not my Nikon system.  To answer the size question, heres:  Nikon 24mm 1.4G 80mm 1.4 Lux R 50mm 1.4 Lux M   Hi-looking for a very clean 80 1.4 R M-mount. Is it available? Txs Wooster123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooster123 Posted February 1, 2014 Share #36 Â Posted February 1, 2014 Looking for very clean 80 1.4 R for M 240 Txs:) Wooster123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted February 4, 2014 Share #37 Â Posted February 4, 2014 It seems everyone I talk to about this uses a 5D2 not the 5D3 and so it seems they function differently with R adapters. Â I have a chipped adaptor for Mk3 and nothing burned out. I was happy to use my R lenes on that, but the 19mm was too close to the mirror. Â Last year I decided not to get the 80mm as I was very happy with the 90 apo and my FD 85/f2 - I do sometimes still regret that (lens was only $950), especially when I see what Pete gets out of his. As I only got my VF for the M on Saturday, I havent tries any of my vintage lenses yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 19, 2014 Share #38 Â Posted February 19, 2014 I have chipped adaptor from fotodiox and use it on a 5D. It hasn't burned out my camera and it does provide nice focus confirmation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted February 19, 2014 Share #39 Â Posted February 19, 2014 ...It doesn't make sense to make a dedicated 2 cam lens, just for the SL/SL2 cameras which ceased production 4 years earlier, and then also make a 3 cam version which was also compatible with the SL/SL2's.... Â You are quite correct. There is, however, another variant of this lens, which was produced between the 3cam version and the ROM version. It is the R-only variant, which unfortunately only has the R-cam, but lacks the first and second cams required for the SL/SL2. It is further unfortunate that this R-only version CAN NOT be retrofitted with cams 1 and 2 (it may be fitted with ROM though, if that's desired). Â Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeEvangelist Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share #40  Posted February 19, 2014 I ended up getting the Canon. Much better than the Nikkor; real manual focusing mechanism, lovely bokeh and noticeably sharper. Sold the Nikkor.  Of course, if I come across an nice Summilux at the right price some time, that would still be my choice.  Here's a 100% crop from the Canon at f2. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/215070-summilux-r-80mm-14-vs-canon-85mm-12/?do=findComment&comment=2535295'>More sharing options...
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