MikeEvangelist Posted October 20, 2013 Share #1 Â Posted October 20, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone used/compared these two lenses? Â I had the R lens for my R8, but foolishly sold it when I had given up on ever getting an M240. Now that my M actually arrived, I'm looking to replace that focal length. I'm intrigued by the Canon, which some people seem to really love. I have a Nikkor 85mm 1.4, which is OK on the M, but I'd much prefer a real, direct manual focusing. Â Any thoughts appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted October 20, 2013 Share #2  Posted October 20, 2013 The 80mm Summilux-R is one of the best lenses Leica have ever made, for either R or M mount. They have probably nearly trebled in price in the last few years, for good reason.  Pete Farnsworth (Farnz) uses one on the M240 and Ben (roguewave) uses one on a DMR  I wish I'd bought one three years ago when they were still around for about £700... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeEvangelist Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share #3  Posted October 20, 2013 I wish I'd bought one three years ago when they were still around for about £700...  Indeed. I had a beautiful sample and sold it out of impatience. Now I'll be paying the price for that rash move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 20, 2013 Share #4  Posted October 20, 2013 Red Dot (one of our sponsors) in London have one for about £1600, which is a decent price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 20, 2013 Share #5 Â Posted October 20, 2013 Anyone know if the 3 Cam versus the ROM models are materially different in IQ? I assume they would be the same, but this thread just made me ask. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted October 21, 2013 Share #6 Â Posted October 21, 2013 Anyone know if the 3 Cam versus the ROM models are materially different in IQ? I assume they would be the same, but this thread just made me ask. Â They're exactly the same lens, no difference in IQ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted October 21, 2013 Share #7 Â Posted October 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone know if the 3 Cam versus the ROM models are materially different in IQ? I assume they would be the same, but this thread just made me ask. Â My understanding is that the coatings were updated and nothing else. Seems like a pretty hefty lens to mount on an M240. I thought I'd read that the pre-APO 75 Summilux had the same optical formula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 21, 2013 Share #8 Â Posted October 21, 2013 My understanding is that the coatings were updated and nothing else. Seems like a pretty hefty lens to mount on an M240. I thought I'd read that the pre-APO 75 Summilux had the same optical formula? Â Is a piece of cake after spending 3 weeks with my 28-90 + EVF on my M. Loved the results and after all is not that what we aspire to creating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted October 21, 2013 Share #9 Â Posted October 21, 2013 Anyone used/compared these two lenses? Yes, I've owned and used both and got rid of both with no regrets! My opinions are as follow (some will disagree no doubt, but they are my opinions): Â The Canon (I had a MkI lens) is by far the sharper lens wide open but has such a narrow depth of field that it is difficult to focus with the absolute precision that it needs. Nail it and its fabulous, but, and its a big but, it has either autofocus or 'powered' focus and neither were as accurate as I would like them to have been, in essence because its difficult to see the point on the focus screen with the level of accuracy required to pinpoint exactly where the point of focus should be. Its a heavy lump too, the glass needs 'parking' at infinity before removing and ergonomics when its off camera are awful (it slips out of your hand far too easily) so it is easy to drop if you aren't very careful with it - the hood is cheap and nasty too. I got rid of both this lens and the Canon 50/1.2 at the same time (the 50 was soft wide-open) and have missed neither. Â The Summilux is a nice, neat, manual focus lens, soft and dreamy wide open and gets better as its stopped down until it is superb at mid apertures. If I still used an R or wanted to use MF on my Canons (I don't) then I'd have kept it. Â Hope that this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted October 21, 2013 Share #10 Â Posted October 21, 2013 .... Seems like a pretty hefty lens to mount on an M240. I thought I'd read that the pre-APO 75 Summilux had the same optical formula? Depends what you're used to really. It's large compared to M lenses but not compared to dSLR lenses and small compared to my Pentax 67 and lenses. I find the M and 80/1.4 Summilux not appreciably heavier than the M and 50/1 Noctilux if that helps. Â There wasn't a 75/1.4 APO-Summilux-M (perhaps you were thinking of the 75/2 APO-Summicron-M asph?) and, yes the 75/1.4 Summilux has the same (Mandler) optical formula as the 80/1.4 Summilux-R. Strangely I didn't get on with the 75 because it was too low in contrast and sold it on whereas I very much like the 80 Summilux-R. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woorob Posted October 22, 2013 Share #11 Â Posted October 22, 2013 My 80/1.4 Summilux-R from the 1980s is spectacular on the M, one of the best IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorich761 Posted November 8, 2013 Share #12 Â Posted November 8, 2013 Seems like a pretty hefty lens to mount on an M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 8, 2013 Share #13 Â Posted November 8, 2013 Seems like a pretty hefty lens to mount on an M240. Â I can guarantee you it is not just like the 28-90 R is not. I use them extensively on my M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted November 8, 2013 Share #14 Â Posted November 8, 2013 So since the 75 and 80 summilux are pretty much the 'same' what would you advice me to get if I could hypothetically get both... Â I'd use it on the M240 only... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 8, 2013 Share #15 Â Posted November 8, 2013 The 80 Summilux-R should be about half the price of the 75 Summilux-M, around 50 grams heavier and (with an M to R adaptor) slightly longer. I understand that there's some variation between the performance of the three 75 Summilux-M variants but not so with the two 80 Summilux-R variants. The 75 is rangefinder coupled so the EVF does not need to be used but the 80 can be used on other brands of dSLR cameras. Â Ultimately, price appears to be the dominant difference unless one of the other features is of significant important to you. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc_rufctr Posted November 9, 2013 Share #16 Â Posted November 9, 2013 When I bought mine I was surprised at the size. Considering it's an F1.4, 80mm it's small. Â Mine focuses smoothly but there is a slight resistance compared to other lenses. Apparently this is normal. It's a joy to use. It feels so right on my R8-DMR and it handles well on my Canon 1Ds Mark II. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jovic Posted November 10, 2013 Share #17 Â Posted November 10, 2013 ...but not so with the two 80 Summilux-R variants. ... Â Which 2 variants are you referring to? Â There was only ever one version of this lens although no doubt minor changes were made during it's approx. 20+ years of production. The cams/ROM are irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 10, 2013 Share #18  Posted November 10, 2013 Which 2 variants are you referring to? There was only ever one version of this lens although no doubt minor changes were made during it's approx. 20+ years of production. The cams/ROM are irrelevant. Leica code number variants 11880 and 11881. As far as I can tell the optical design was the same for both although the 11881 is 50g heavier but it's not clear whether both had the same coatings or the coatings changed over the 20+ years of production.  Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photojazz Posted November 10, 2013 Share #19 Â Posted November 10, 2013 So where do you get those code numbers off the lens? Here's mine: Extremely clean copy. Sadly, I have nothing to shoot it on, and will likely sell it and put the money toward my savings for MM or M 240. We all have dreams, just different ones. :-) I really hate to see a nice lens like this get butchered with mount changes and stuff. An M 240 owner should own this copy. Beautiful lens. I wish I could use it now. Pretty heavy lens, but would cradle in the hand pretty nicely. I was going to convert it to Nikon mount. But I have since decided not to. I could, but it's just not my priority. My Leica system is my priority, not my Nikon system. Â Â To answer the size question, heres: Â Nikon 24mm 1.4G 80mm 1.4 Lux R 50mm 1.4 Lux M Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 10, 2013 Share #20 Â Posted November 10, 2013 So where do you get those code numbers off the lens? ... A few lenses have the Leica code number inscribed on them but my 80 Summilux-R doesn't. If the code's not inscribed on the lens then it will be on its original box but if that's not available then it's a case of working out which code belongs to the lens by reading informative sources such as Jim Lager, Erwin Puts, Dennis Laney etc. Â For example I can identify my 80 Summilux-R as a 11881 because it has the ROM contacts. if yours has a single R 3rd cam only then it's also a 11881 but if it has two cams then it would be a 11880. Â (Information on Leica R cams can be found here. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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