Guest Emile de Leon Posted October 21, 2013 Share #21 Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Excellent work dierk! That lens is worth every penny..esp on the MM. Edited October 21, 2013 by Emile de Leon add Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Hi Guest Emile de Leon, Take a look here Leica M Monochrom with Zeiss Hologon 16mm/8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
helged Posted October 23, 2013 Share #22 Posted October 23, 2013 Anyone that can provide insight about the center-to-edge sharpness of the Hologon 16 mm compared other (ultra)wides for the M. Thanks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted October 23, 2013 Share #23 Posted October 23, 2013 Anyone that can provide insight about the center-to-edge sharpness of the Hologon 16 mm compared other (ultra)wides for the M. Thanks... Dierk's post # 12 says it all. The two strong points of the Hologon are it's incredible sharpness across the frame and its complete lack of distortion. There is no other 15/16mm lens reaching this performance. The two weaknesses of the Hologon are: Heavy light falloff, only manageable with it's supplied centre filter and additional post processing (especially difficult with digital sensors). Awkwardness in practical use: fixed aperture f8 (+additional loss of light due to the 2 stop centre filter), no rangefinder coupling (not that one would need any @ f8 + 16mm), it's tiny size, providing barely any way to handle it (not a lens you want to change often in the field). Dierk has some great shots from this lens, I am looking forward, seeing more! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share #24 Posted October 26, 2013 more pictures from this great little lens and this one is stitched from 4 images hand held dierk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 26, 2013 Share #25 Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) the main difference is: the price the original lens is about 18k$, if you find one and it has no T* coting and uses 3 lenses instead of 5 in the G version try this link http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129065&highlight=hologon there will be a G version in the next Westlicht auction in November! Another important difference is that the original Hologon 15 f8 cannot work properly on M9 / M... can be mounted but vignetting and color shift are really impressive... I found an example posted time ago (M9) : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 26, 2013 by luigi bertolotti 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214995-leica-m-monochrom-with-zeiss-hologon-16mm8/?do=findComment&comment=2450828'>More sharing options...
georg Posted October 26, 2013 Share #26 Posted October 26, 2013 I think the 15mm might even damage the Copal shutter!? I think that was the reason for the 16mm-replacement in the first place. Otherwise great images! I hope I can test the "alternative" (ZM15) soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 26, 2013 Share #27 Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the 15mm might even damage the Copal shutter!? I think that was the reason for the 16mm-replacement in the first place.Otherwise great images! I hope I can test the "alternative" (ZM15) soon. People that have used it say that mechanically there is no risk... even if for a very small margin... but no surprise that Leica states that it cannot be used on digital Ms... I am curios to see pictures taken with the Super Elmars 15 for R on M240... but haven't yet found any... Edited October 26, 2013 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted October 28, 2013 Share #28 Posted October 28, 2013 I think the 15mm might even damage the Copal shutter!? I think that was the reason for the 16mm-replacement in the first place.Otherwise great images! I hope I can test the "alternative" (ZM15) soon. This is not correct - the 15/8 Hologon in M mount can be used without risk of damage also on the Leica M8 and M9 bodies. The Carl-Zeiss Hologon history is quite a curious one, interesting for a read up. The Leica M mount Carl Zeiss Hologon 15/8 has been created from a batch of leftover lens assemblies, that were actually destined to be assembled into the Zeiss Ikon Hologon camera. Zeiss Ikon went out of business with left over stock of these lens assemblies. … so it happened, that the 15/8 Carl Zeiss Hologon in Leica M mount came to happen. Only very few have been made, which translates into very high collectors prices of that lens (well above 10.000 EUR). For interested people, who would want to try out the original lens design, Zeiss Ikon Hologon cameras, although also pricey, go for a fraction of the collectible Leica M mount 15/8 although their optical cell is identical (and some of them from the same production batch @ Carl Zeiss Oberkochen). The Carl Zeiss Hologon 16/8 for Contax G mount is actually a recomputed lens with more lens elements, to simplify production of the very complex central element of the original lens. Having been recomputed and manufactured several decades later, it benefits also from better optical performance than the original lens (mainly higher contrast and flare resistence), although it's great achievements in resolution and lack of distortion remain comparable. Here are a few links to read up: Zeiss Ikon/Voigtlander/Contarex HOLOGON (10.0659) ultrawide Camera w/ 8/15 (15mm f/8.0) & other Hologon Ultra-wideangle lens variations - Part II/V Glatzel I started a thread on RFF some time ago to collect info about Hologon lenses from knowledgable contributors here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129065 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plewislambert Posted October 28, 2013 Share #29 Posted October 28, 2013 Cornerfix works well on images from the CV 12mm on an M9. I take London street scenes and the only comment I would make is that cars at the edge of the images look strangely stretched. Don't know what the Hologon cost but I bought a Voigtlander L body and CV 12mm for £360; body fetched £60. Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 28, 2013 Share #30 Posted October 28, 2013 Dirk, given your interest about Hologon, I wonder if you have read the excellent article on Superwides by Marco Cavina : HYPERGON The Hologon is discussed at the end. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted October 29, 2013 Share #31 Posted October 29, 2013 Luigi, thank you so much for the link - this must be the most information wealthy on these unique wide angle lens designs on the internet. I have come to see the article when the virus first infected me with the Hologon, but never worked through, as I don't understand Italian and the google translation can be rough sometimes. It is nevertheless a great collection of information from where to start to learn more about these lens designs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 29, 2013 Share #32 Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Is interesting the detail about the alternative Hologon design, never gone in production, that covered 120° with a focal of 12,5mm... years before the Nikkor 13 and MANY years before the current CV 12,5... And the "Monster-Hologon" for Linhof 13x18 is also a tasty exercise... Edited October 29, 2013 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share #33 Posted October 30, 2013 thanks Luigi and Dirk, the page about the Superwides is impressive, even without understanding Italien, thanks. Yesterday I had a few minutes for the Hologon and here is the result. Both with ND center filter, PP in LR5 and Nik Silver Efex2 This one is my favorite, but I don't like the clouds on both pictures. and this one got 3.000 clicks in flickr in the first 15 hours? dierk 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted October 31, 2013 Share #34 Posted October 31, 2013 Wow, the first one is absolutely beautiful Dierk! I like how the fence leads into the hole in the clouds! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share #35 Posted November 7, 2013 one from yesterday, I forgot the center filter and the finder, but it worked without. PP: LR5, Nik Silver Efex with a big Upoint on the center to darken the center, and LR5 again with gradient filter on the left and right side to reduce the vignetting dierk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Régnier Posted November 7, 2013 Share #36 Posted November 7, 2013 Beautiful composition (camera + lens), and great pictures! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share #37 Posted November 7, 2013 this time I used tripod and self timer at base ISO of 320 all PP: Nik Silver Efex2 dierk 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted November 7, 2013 Share #38 Posted November 7, 2013 Wonderful. I confess - I'm smitten. I'm researching getting one of these lenses myself. I'll be surprised if I can use it as well as you seem to - but I'll have some fun trying. How much PP is there in your pics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted November 7, 2013 Wonderful. I confess - I'm smitten. I'm researching getting one of these lenses myself. I'll be surprised if I can use it as well as you seem to - but I'll have some fun trying. How much PP is there in your pics? thanks, marc, how do I explain, how much PP is in there. I use a set of my own LR5 settings and modify them, till it looks right to me :-)) That doesn't take long, maximum 1-2 minutes most of the time, and of course more, if it is complicated by exposure and contrast. LR is just perfect for my needs and gives me all freedom, I need! dierk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreyg Posted November 7, 2013 Share #40 Posted November 7, 2013 Here's one with a 15 CV, handheld, not much light (early AM). On a rented MM, very much fun. No CF, no vignetting corrections. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214995-leica-m-monochrom-with-zeiss-hologon-16mm8/?do=findComment&comment=2460332'>More sharing options...
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