jonoslack Posted October 27, 2013 Share #1661 Posted October 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) A reasonable expectation is Sony will release A7r firmware updates and lens coding for wide angle M. Companies do not spend money deloping firmware to make it easier for their competitors to sell lenses. Really. Sony aren't going to be interested in making the A cameras work with M lenses . . . if every single Leica user jumped ship and bought an A7r, it really still wouldn't have been worth Sony's while. They want to sell Zeiss and Sony lenses . . . not for Leica to sell Leica lenses. (quite right too) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanG Posted October 27, 2013 Share #1662 Posted October 27, 2013 Companies do not spend money deloping firmware to make it easier for their competitors to sell lenses.Really. Sony aren't going to be interested in making the A cameras work with M lenses . . . if every single Leica user jumped ship and bought an A7r, it really still wouldn't have been worth Sony's while. They want to sell Zeiss and Sony lenses . . . not for Leica to sell Leica lenses. (quite right too) That would normally make sense but Sony is trying to make a big dent in the market with these cameras. They see compatibility with third party lenses as part of the way to get there and they could not do that with the SLT cameras. That is why they were showing a Canon lens mounted to an A7r at the show and also spoke about Metabones trying to make a Nikon AF compatible adapter. Sony knew lens compatibility would be a good aspect of making a mirroless FF body and I bet they listened to the feedback from lots of people who were adapting various lenses to the Nex cameras. Additionally, since Sony promotes that the A7r has angled microlenses without an AA filter, that is clearly a feature that is aimed to benefit those using wide angle rangefinder lenses. If there were any other benefits to it regarding Sony's FE lenses, besides resolution and moire suppression, then they would have made the A7 without an AA filter and with angled micro lenses. And I bet Sony isn't planning to make lenses that would work properly on the A7r but not on the A7. The A7 cameras can be customized via Play Memory Apps. So Sony or a third party could add lens optimization features that are targeted to specific Leica lenses if you need that correction on the camera's jpegs. Otherwise any corrections could be made using raw conversions software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted October 27, 2013 Share #1663 Posted October 27, 2013 Companies do not spend money deloping firmware to make it easier for their competitors to sell lenses.Really. Sony aren't going to be interested in making the A cameras work with M lenses . . . if every single Leica user jumped ship and bought an A7r, it really still wouldn't have been worth Sony's while. They want to sell Zeiss and Sony lenses . . . not for Leica to sell Leica lenses. (quite right too) OTOH Leica developed LR profiles for Hasselblad H lenses not so that Hassleblad could sell more lenses but so that Leica would sell more S bodies. It's a market penetration strategy allowing the existing Hasselblad user to enter the S system without a complete system changeover. Once the photographer has an S body s/he may consider buying S lenses. Without the S body the S lens purchase decision is much more costly and thus less likely. Sony isn't going to sell FE-mount lenses to people who don't have a FE-mount body. Compatibility with other-brand lenses makes it much easier for the buyer to justify the FE-mount body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted October 27, 2013 Share #1664 Posted October 27, 2013 Rich, Thank you so much. This is very similar with my experiences with E-M1 files. I switch off practically all in-camera processing and only use Nik for noise reduction and sharpening. Here is a shot with Olympus OM-D E-M1 + Leica WATE 16-18-21/4 [ATTACH]405224[/ATTACH] Great photo. Thank you for sharing. I'm curious: how many serious photographer *DON'T* turn off in-camera processing? Unlike many, if not most here, I have experience with only two high grade systems, Leica M and Canon 5DMKx system. In both cases, I've always had all in-camera processing off, excepting the Leica in-camera lens profiles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 27, 2013 Share #1665 Posted October 27, 2013 Great photo. Thank you for sharing. I'm curious: how many serious photographer *DON'T* turn off in-camera processing? Unlike many, if not most here, I have experience with two high grade systems, Leica M and Canon 5DMKx system. In both cases, I've always had all in-camera processing off, excepting the Leica in-camera lens profiles. With Canon the settings only affect jpegs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 27, 2013 Share #1666 Posted October 27, 2013 My understanding too for the M that the in-camera settings adjust jpegs only. I would assume most "serious photographers" shoot DNG instead/as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 27, 2013 Share #1667 Posted October 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) With Canon the settings only affect jpegs. Same with other cameras. For new cameras I typically generate both raw and jpg. As the jpgs, particularly for higher ISOs, show lots of artifacts I switch off all the in camera processing I can. That seems to improve the jpg images. Of course, images I show here or otherwise have typically been generated from the raw files. I either use LR5 or CS6, but don't use their noise reduction or sharpening. For that I use Nik as it has covenient controls to apply those functions only in local areas. Nik also has very nice graphical displays to show their effects on an image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted October 27, 2013 Share #1668 Posted October 27, 2013 My understanding too for the M that the in-camera settings adjust jpegs only. I would assume most "serious photographers" shoot DNG instead/as well? With Canon the settings only affect jpegs. Same with other cameras. For new cameras I typically generate both raw and jpg. DNG/RAW only here, though it's my understanding that there's some extraneous in-camera processing involved even in DNG/RAW files especially when pushing the limits of the sensor (high ISO noise suppression regardless of user selected preference, etcetera). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1669 Posted October 28, 2013 Companies do not spend money deloping firmware to make it easier for their competitors to sell lenses.Really. Sony aren't going to be interested in making the A cameras work with M lenses . . . if every single Leica user jumped ship and bought an A7r, it really still wouldn't have been worth Sony's while. They want to sell Zeiss and Sony lenses . . . not for Leica to sell Leica lenses. (quite right too) I would also expect this to be the case. However, Sony (at least in Australia) is including a voucher in every A7/A7R box which you can redeem for a free adapter in Canon, Nikon or Leica mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1670 Posted October 28, 2013 I would also expect this to be the case. However, Sony (at least in Australia) is including a voucher in every A7/A7R box which you can redeem for a free adapter in Canon, Nikon or Leica mount. Is that a Sony adapter, say for Leica M mount? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1671 Posted October 28, 2013 Great photo. Thank you for sharing. I'm curious: how many serious photographer *DON'T* turn off in-camera processing? Unlike many, if not most here, I have experience with only two high grade systems, Leica M and Canon 5DMKx system. In both cases, I've always had all in-camera processing off, excepting the Leica in-camera lens profiles. Does that include turning off compression too since that is "in camera processing"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1672 Posted October 28, 2013 I would also expect this to be the case. However, Sony (at least in Australia) is including a voucher in every A7/A7R box which you can redeem for a free adapter in Canon, Nikon or Leica mount. What brand adapter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1673 Posted October 28, 2013 I agree with jonoslack on this one despite the following sales pitch I would also expect this to be the case. However, Sony (at least in Australia) is including a voucher in every A7/A7R box which you can redeem for a free adapter in Canon, Nikon or Leica mount. Clever marketing............. A Leica or Canon guy buys a Sony, puts on a 50mm all is` good tries a 35 great.......... then uses a wide and finds it a bit off. Thinks ah well I will buy a Zeiss, great brand lots of credibility etc...... now that's better : Sony not only sold a camera but a lens as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1674 Posted October 28, 2013 Some Sony A7r results posted by Phillip Reeve on Fredmiranda.com. Not looking too good for some lenses: Sony A7r some full resolution test shots - FM Forums As per Phillip for Fredmiranda.com: The crops of the images and the full images may be posted an discussed here but before you use them anywhere else please ask me. Also, check this: Sony A7r some full resolution test shots - FM Forums How are the corners on the M9 and the M240 for the 50mm Summilux ASPH? I believe that Ron also found poor performance for this lens on the A7. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1675 Posted October 28, 2013 I agree with jonoslack on this one despite the following sales pitch Clever marketing............. A Leica or Canon guy buys a Sony, puts on a 50mm all is` good tries a 35 great.......... then uses a wide and finds it a bit off. Thinks ah well I will buy a Zeiss, great brand lots of credibility etc...... now that's better : Sony not only sold a camera but a lens as well How does this apply to the Canon or Nikon adapters? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1676 Posted October 28, 2013 What brand adapter? It could be Metabone. Recent postings over internet indictes a kind of cooperation relationship between Sony and Metabone. Metabone in B&H or other internet shops declares her products as of being designed in Japan and Hong Hong, produced in China. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1677 Posted October 28, 2013 Is that a Sony adapter, say for Leica M mount? Thanks. It is a Metabones adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1678 Posted October 28, 2013 Some Sony A7r results posted by Phillip Reeve on Fredmiranda.com. Not looking too good for some lenses: Sony A7r some full resolution test shots - FM Forums As per Phillip for Fredmiranda.com: The crops of the images and the full images may be posted an discussed here but before you use them anywhere else please ask me. Also, check this: Sony A7r some full resolution test shots - FM Forums How are the corners on the M9 and the M240 for the 50mm Summilux ASPH? I believe that Ron also found poor performance for this lens on the A7. Rich Tim Ashley's assessment of the 50 LUX ASPH will answer your last question. Even on the M240, colour shift/vignetting is evident until f5.6. And it is not sharp across the frame until f8.0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1679 Posted October 28, 2013 Tim Ashley's assessment of the 50 LUX ASPH will answer your last question. Even on the M240, colour shift/vignetting is evident until f5.6. And it is not sharp across the frame until f8.0. Thanks. Here is the link. Tim Ashley Photography | Leica M240 with 50mm Summilux - Some observations. Here is another of Tim's articles. Tim Ashley Photography | Sony: E-mount 16-70mm opinion & some thoughts on A7 & A7R. Quote: "The EM-1 may not have quite such an impressive sensor but Lord is it made by photographers for photographers... and I will write more about that when I get the lens." "Case in point, I tried my treasured M 50 Lux on the EM-1 yesterday and the edges are mush." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted October 28, 2013 Share #1680 Posted October 28, 2013 Does that include turning off compression too since that is "in camera processing"? I'm not sure what you're referencing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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