luigi bertolotti Posted October 14, 2013 Share #461 Posted October 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) If is real.. well, I admit is a no bad design... cleraly with some styling detail (like the angled surface at the base of "prism" ) that has been carefully studied... a finely tuned jump over and besides the Nex concept... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 14, 2013 Posted October 14, 2013 Hi luigi bertolotti, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest borge Posted October 14, 2013 Share #462 Posted October 14, 2013 Well the initial lens selection from Sony was extremely disappointing. Zeiss FE 24-70mm f/4.0 OSS Sony G 28-70mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS Zeiss FE 35mm f/2.8 Zeiss FE 55mm f/1.8 Zeiss FE 70-200mm f/4.0 OSS (coming early 2014) ?? I was expecting some premium fast lenses like a 28/2, 35/1.4, 50/1.4, 90/2. The 35/2.8 sounds like it was made that slow just for the sake of not taking sales away from the RX1 which ships with a 35/2 lens... And whats up with the odd 55mm focal length? Doesn't make sense on a 35. If it doesn't perform well with adapters and M lenses it doesn't sound very interesting at all. Sounds like the Nex all over again. Decent cameras but crappy lens selection. And the only decent prime on the Nex cameras (Zeiss 24/1.8) was over-priced, big, heavy and extremely difficult to find... I'm gonna give it 6-12 months on the market before I even consider it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted October 14, 2013 Share #463 Posted October 14, 2013 I don't know about anyone else but I find it somewhat ironic that the camera market despite the digital technology is basically falling into the two popular form factor designs we all had from the 80s. Anyone remember the Canon T90? I remember getting to use one when I was doing my work experience and thought it was a wacky way out there machine. I liked it but my real lust was for an F3 HP yet it was the T90 that set the design agenda for all SLRs that followed IMHO or certainly all Canons at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted October 14, 2013 Share #464 Posted October 14, 2013 The A7 vs Leica M9 vs Canon 5D size comaprison (by Vaclav Mach) | Mirrorless Rumors Size comparison A7/r, M9. I like it is small, still wish it had some of the elan of M9. I suppose i wont have to worry about front focusing, back focusing, RF out of laignment, so that at least is a boon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJDrew Posted October 14, 2013 Share #465 Posted October 14, 2013 Armchair engineers will always find some reason to construct an supporting their belief that their chosen system is best. In this thread - we see how an e-Mount Full Frame camera is a bad idea. But in reality-land - it's a GREAT idea, and they will sell a ton of these. Many will go to people who love RF glass. Meanwhile, Leica is slowly losing its differentiators and benefits. "Has a rangefinder, if you like that kind of thing" becomes essentially the only really meaningful advantage. If you liked rangefinder glass, a digital M was the only game in town. Then EVILs got better, and it became the only FULL FRAME game in town. Then it was the CCD chip and light/no AA filtering. They used to proudly say "World's smallest full frame camera." The exclusivity of their features has eroded greatly. Now, the cost of entry for Leica's small, morrirless full frame will be 4x the cost of the closest competitor, which will offer an excellent photography solution - and what are they left with? Brand loyalty and rangefinder focusing. We can expect Leica to push harder and harder on the style, exclusivity, emotional-marketing buttons. Boo. Meanwhile - thanks to this Sony FF e-mount camera, I look forward to purchasing that 75mm Summarit that is no fun to use on the M/M9. Count me in as a "not a real Leica customer" that Sony *surely hasn't considered* as an easy target for their new system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 14, 2013 Share #466 Posted October 14, 2013 The A7 vs Leica M9 vs Canon 5D size comaprison (by Vaclav Mach) | Mirrorless Rumors Size comparison A7/r, M9. I like it is small, still wish it had some of the elan of M9.... It cannot : part of the elan of M9 is related to the fact that its basic styling dates to 1954... while, at best, we can date A7/r "elan" to 1980 (Pentax LX intro...), not to speak of 1925 (first Leica Camera) or 1869 (Leitz acquisition and re-branding of the Kellner Optical workshop founded in 1841) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted October 14, 2013 Share #467 Posted October 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Armchair engineers will always find some reason to construct an supporting their belief that their chosen system is best. In this thread - we see how an e-Mount Full Frame camera is a bad idea. But in reality-land - it's a GREAT idea, and they will sell a ton of these. Many will go to people who love RF glass. Meanwhile, Leica is slowly losing its differentiators and benefits. "Has a rangefinder, if you like that kind of thing" becomes essentially the only really meaningful advantage. If you liked rangefinder glass, a digital M was the only game in town. Then EVILs got better, and it became the only FULL FRAME game in town. Then it was the CCD chip and light/no AA filtering. They used to proudly say "World's smallest full frame camera." The exclusivity of their features has eroded greatly. Now, the cost of entry for Leica's small, morrirless full frame will be 4x the cost of the closest competitor, which will offer an excellent photography solution - and what are they left with? Brand loyalty and rangefinder focusing. We can expect Leica to push harder and harder on the style, exclusivity, emotional-marketing buttons. Boo. Meanwhile - thanks to this Sony FF e-mount camera, I look forward to purchasing that 75mm Summarit that is no fun to use on the M/M9. Count me in as a "not a real Leica customer" that Sony *surely hasn't considered* as an easy target for their new system. Whilst it is fact that much has happened since 2009, and now four years later with A7/r, i will see how i "connect" with A7/r : "emotional contact" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 14, 2013 Share #468 Posted October 14, 2013 I think it is interesting that these cameras are less expensive than the RX-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 14, 2013 Share #469 Posted October 14, 2013 I think it is interesting that these cameras are less expensive than the RX-1 That's good news indeed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 14, 2013 Share #470 Posted October 14, 2013 I think it is interesting that these cameras are less expensive than the RX-1 Let's wait to compare RX1 price with A7 equipped with comparable lens... I don't seem to have seen price disclosures on the new Zeiss for A7... the possible reference is the Biogon 2/35 for M, around 1000 Euros and manual focus.... at the end it won't be, probably, a not too different final sum for the A7/r (with new sensor, though); by logic, higher price for 7/r and maybe a bit lower for 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 14, 2013 Share #471 Posted October 14, 2013 Well the initial lens selection from Sony was extremely disappointing. Here is a link to the Sony Alpha lenses that will work on the Nex via an adapter. It shouldn't be too hard for Sony to redesign some of these to have a longer barrel and hence not need the adapter. But what is so bad about using the adapter since it means the lenses can be smaller? Of course there may be some new smaller designs made just for the Nex A7 and A7R. But this will probably only be possible on some of the wide angle designs (assuming a wider sensor incident angle can be used) and if they want to make slower than current lenses. Alpha DLSR Lenses - Lenses Sony Store - Sony US Some are FF and some are APS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 14, 2013 Share #472 Posted October 14, 2013 ... My primary interest in the Sony A7/A7R is for R lenses.... See, Leica promised there would be a good solution for R lens owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted October 14, 2013 Share #473 Posted October 14, 2013 I think it is interesting that these cameras are less expensive than the RX-1 Compare the USD 2000 A7 with 28-70mm zoom with the USD 3500 Leica X-Vario with EVF. When considering the specs and knowing how outstanding that 24MP Sony sensor is, things look almost absurd. FF Sony versus aps-c Sony sensor, EVF 4 versus EVF2. 1/8000 versus 1/2000 max shutter speed, phase detection AF, weather sealing. Slightly faster zoom. 1500 spare cash for a trip or for more glass. It`s not even funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 14, 2013 Share #474 Posted October 14, 2013 Sony's 35mm 1.4 G lens is $1500. Sony's 24mm f2 is $1400 and is marked "Zeiss." I have no idea how good these are but a good 35mm f2 should not be more expensive than $1000 I figure. For general work, I'd probably want slower small lenses on this small camera rather than large and heavy fast ones. In any case, you can't put Canon's 24mm and 17mm TSE's on an RX1 so this body would be good for a variety of uses. (Compact and convenient to carry but also specific and exacting.) By the time you add the finder to the RX1 I think its compact advantage over the A7 may be lost. On a side note, since I fly quadcopters, I can see this camera being pretty great for aerial stills and probably for video too. (FF may be overkill for video.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 14, 2013 Share #475 Posted October 14, 2013 See, Leica promised there would be a good solution for R lens owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted October 14, 2013 Share #476 Posted October 14, 2013 The A7 vs Leica M9 vs Canon 5D size comaprison (by Vaclav Mach) | Mirrorless Rumors Size comparison A7/r, M9. I like it is small, still wish it had some of the elan of M9. I suppose i wont have to worry about front focusing, back focusing, RF out of laignment, so that at least is a boon. Will these bodies be weather sealed? Or is that being saved for a future update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 14, 2013 Share #477 Posted October 14, 2013 So, contrary to some very confident views expressed here earlier, Sony has produced an E-mount, full frame, mirrorless camera. By definition, it will accept Leica M lenses with an adapter (I was going to sell mine, but maybe I'll keep it). It sounds as if this camera does have microlenses or some other technology in the sensor to allow for the short register distance. The proof in the pudding will now be image quality. I seem to recall that Sony knows a thing or two about sensor design and construction ... But then, I'm sure the same experts who said this whole idea would never happen will have very good reasons for this camera not to work with Leica lenses. Sony was never going to make a camera to use with other people's lenses, after all (a bit like Leica making an adapter so S camera owners could use Hasselblad lenses - hang on, they did!). Nice looking camera. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 14, 2013 Share #478 Posted October 14, 2013 Compare the USD 2000 A7 with 28-70mm zoom with the USD 3500 Leica X-Vario with EVF. When considering the specs and knowing how outstanding that 24MP Sony sensor is, things look almost absurd. FF Sony versus aps-c Sony sensor, EVF 4 versus EVF2. 1/8000 versus 1/2000 max shutter speed, phase detection AF, weather sealing. Slightly faster zoom. 1500 spare cash for a trip or for more glass. It`s not even funny. If this all plays out as good as is touted, Sony is going to clean up. I have to think that Nikon and Canon are working on something similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 14, 2013 Share #479 Posted October 14, 2013 I'd be much happier if someone bought me an Audi A7 / A7 RS. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 14, 2013 Share #480 Posted October 14, 2013 If this all plays out as good as is touted, Sony is going to clean up. I have to think that Nikon and Canon are working on something similar. Leica's answer was the XV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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