3D-Kraft.com Posted April 2, 2014 Share #4441 Posted April 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Again, oversimplification, some work on some cameras but not on others. I don't know any mirrorless camera, on which the WATE does not work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 2, 2014 Posted April 2, 2014 Hi 3D-Kraft.com, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
algrove Posted April 3, 2014 Share #4442 Posted April 3, 2014 I don't know any mirrorless camera, on which the WATE does not work. Yes, retro focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted April 3, 2014 Share #4443 Posted April 3, 2014 I don't know any mirrorless camera, on which the WATE does not work. Yes, but its slow, bulky and extremely expensive. If I could afford one I would probably have an M9, although even then I doubt I would want it because of the bulk and low max aperure. Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted April 4, 2014 Share #4444 Posted April 4, 2014 There is supposedly a new Sony FE camera being announced this Sunday. Rumoured to be the a7s which shoots 4K video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 4, 2014 Share #4445 Posted April 4, 2014 There is supposedly a new Sony FE camera being announced this Sunday. Rumoured to be the a7s which shoots 4K video. Let's hope it works better than the SONY A7/R with Leica UWA/WA M mount lenses ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted April 4, 2014 Share #4446 Posted April 4, 2014 Let's hope it works better than the SONY A7/R with Leica UWA/WA M mount lenses ... I doubt it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 4, 2014 Share #4447 Posted April 4, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I doubt it So do I. But with a lower res sensor, they might possibly (and hopefully) manage ... : sonyalpharumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 5, 2014 Share #4448 Posted April 5, 2014 Hi, trying to find working A7 Leica M mount combinations I looked at my Leica Elmarit 2,8/21 ASPH again. Now and then I attend Old-/Youngtimer-Events. So, I want to find out, which equipment to take. Picture #1 is from the M9, #2 from the A7, both with the Elmarit at f8, with my normal settings: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2562750'>More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 5, 2014 Share #4449 Posted April 5, 2014 I find the M9 colour more uniform and realistic. The A7 produces a pink middle. Looking at the taillight crops, #1 from the M9, I find a little more detail, and more realistic colour. This is a little disappointing for me. Up to now, I thought the 21 Elmarit works satisfactorily with the M9 and the A7. But colour shifts and weak borders and weak corners is a bit too much. So, I see the A7 with the 21 Elmarit for travel photography (not landscape) and non- uniform subjects, but not, if frame-filling sharpness and uniform colour rendering is called for. What a pity! The A7 with live-view, tilt screen and exposure correction wheel is much easier to use than the M9 ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2562755'>More sharing options...
BJDrew Posted April 5, 2014 Share #4450 Posted April 5, 2014 I find the M9 colour more uniform and realistic. The A7 produces a pink middle. Looking at the taillight crops, #1 from the M9, I find a little more detail, and more realistic colour. This is a little disappointing for me. Up to now, I thought the 21 Elmarit works satisfactorily with the M9 and the A7. But colour shifts and weak borders and weak corners is a bit too much. So, I see the A7 with the 21 Elmarit for travel photography (not landscape) and non- uniform subjects, but not, if frame-filling sharpness and uniform colour rendering is called for. What a pity! The A7 with live-view, tilt screen and exposure correction wheel is much easier to use than the M9 ... I draw the exact opposite conclusion. What a win! I see virtually no practical application where the differences shown would be meaningful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 5, 2014 Share #4451 Posted April 5, 2014 I draw the exact opposite conclusion. What a win! I see virtually no practical application where the differences shown would be meaningful. So much the better for you. Different people have different requirements ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted April 6, 2014 Share #4452 Posted April 6, 2014 So much the better for you. Different people have different requirements ... poly I do believe it will come down to how are you going to "use" the images. Internet. A3 prints, little 4x5 prints or whatever? IMO, for the internet both are overkill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted April 6, 2014 Share #4453 Posted April 6, 2014 You could do the Internet on a smartphone, thats not what I spent lots of money on leica lenses for. Gerry Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted April 6, 2014 Share #4454 Posted April 6, 2014 A7s looks interesting. 12 Mpixels = super low light performance. Big pixels will hopefully also play better with Leica lenses. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/04/06/sony-announces-alpha-7-series-full-frame-mirrorless-with-4-2-2-4k-video-output Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 7, 2014 Share #4455 Posted April 7, 2014 I do believe it will come down to how are you going to "use" the images. Internet. A3 prints, little 4x5 prints or whatever? Hi, some of the problems we experience are due to digital photography capabilities. In the analogue days, I simply enjoyed my slides. I never got up from my chair to look into the corners. I did not use a magnifying glass, either. In a way, we are doing the same thing with cameras we do with powerful cars. Every now and then, we try to find out what they can do - not in, but around corners - , but most of the time we just cruise at 100 mph ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc G. Posted April 7, 2014 Share #4456 Posted April 7, 2014 A7s looks interesting. 12 Mpixels = super low light performance. Big pixels will hopefully also play better with Leica lenses. Sony announces Alpha 7S full-frame mirrorless with 4:2:2 4k video output: Digital Photography Review If I didn't overlook something, the sensor layout is still the same. Why should be S be any different from the A7 and A7r then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 7, 2014 Share #4457 Posted April 7, 2014 Big pixels will hopefully also play better with Leica lenses. Let's hope. --- Of course, this would be a lucky coincidence, for Leica M mount users. I do not think SONY aimed for this. On the other hand, they would not mind winning high end customers with deep pockets ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 7, 2014 Share #4458 Posted April 7, 2014 If I didn't overlook something, the sensor layout is still the same. Why should be S be any different from the A7 and A7r then? Hi, SONY says "The innovative α7S camera features a newly developed, 12.2 effective megapixel 35mm Exmor® CMOS sensor " Here wishful thinking can set in. Pixels will be bigger, and the microlens design better for oblique rays in the corners and border areas. But, one has to wait until robust information and experiences are available - and this should not come from SONY-groupies ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveclem Posted April 7, 2014 Share #4459 Posted April 7, 2014 Every now and then, we try to find out what they can do - not in, but around corners - , but most of the time we just cruise at 100 mph ... Good analogy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted April 7, 2014 Share #4460 Posted April 7, 2014 Hi, some of the problems we experience are due to digital photography capabilities. In the analogue days, I simply enjoyed my slides. I never got up from my chair to look into the corners. I did not use a magnifying glass, either. In a way, we are doing the same thing with cameras we do with powerful cars. Every now and then, we try to find out what they can do - not in, but around corners - , but most of the time we just cruise at 100 mph ... Certainly with slides the corners were not a problem, rarely were centre and corners sharp at the same time on the screen, but in an enlarger its a different story, and its for prints, 'admired' in isolation rather than as a part of a 'story' that corner sharpness becomes more desireable. I thought we had it cracked with the A7, reasonable performance with my lovely 21/2.8 asph. If not then what? Are you serious when you say that the Fujis are bad with M lenses less than 75mm? I see some good stuff out there, but are the 16mp Nexs better bets? Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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