thighslapper Posted December 4, 2013 Share #3281 Posted December 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) After a few days with the A7 I can say that technically it is very good camera though I feel no bond with it as I do with the Leica M or even the fuji X-Pro1. It makes me really appreciate the fact that an OVF gives me a real connection with the subject that I am photographing (human that is) that is just not possible with and EVF. My sentiments entirely. I spent a whole week fiddling with it and trying multiple lenses ..... but I find the relative simplicity and feeling that the M is an extension of my eye rather than a lump of electonics between me and the subject much more attractive. As an autofocus camera with native lenses it has a place in my armoury ..... but I can't see it replacing my M or MM..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 Hi thighslapper, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
k-hawinkler Posted December 4, 2013 Share #3282 Posted December 4, 2013 Just pulled my new A7R off the charger (why don't they supply a separate charger??) and shot a couple of comparison pix with my M. Although I have Camera Raw 8.3, it seems I have to download Lightroom RC 5.3 to get Lightroom to preview the Sony's .ARW files. So while I'm waiting for the download to finish, I thought I'd ask someone with more time using this camera with Leica M lenses -- am I correct that in manual focus mode (as with an M-mount lens), "Focus Magnification" can only be used when manually enabled through the "Menu" settings? That is, do you have to go into "Menu" each and every time you want to see your image magnified when focusing carefully? No, I don't think so. Try pushing the center wheel or one of the buttons. I will figure it out as soon as my battery is charged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Jones Posted December 4, 2013 Share #3283 Posted December 4, 2013 No, I don't think so. Try pushing the center wheel or one of the buttons. I will figure it out as soon as my battery is charged. It's the button next to the shutter by default. C1. You can program it to most of the buttons and you need to press it twice for magnification, once more to get closer. You will probably want to increase the magnification time from the standard 2 seconds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 4, 2013 Share #3284 Posted December 4, 2013 Lou, How do you know that the batteries fit the A7R? I only ordered the charger (B&H says for use with… a7r batteries)-will use original a7r batteries for the time being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3285 Posted December 5, 2013 So while I'm waiting for the download to finish, I thought I'd ask someone with more time using this camera with Leica M lenses -- am I correct that in manual focus mode (as with an M-mount lens), "Focus Magnification" can only be used when manually enabled through the "Menu" settings? That is, do you have to go into "Menu" each and every time you want to see your image magnified when focusing carefully? The c1(custome 1) bottom on the top plate is for "Focus settings" by default. Fisrt push give you a 1x and the focus zone view, next push for 7.2x and next one for 14.4x, very convenient for access. I set the peaking level as Mid and peaking color as Red, the peaking helps a lot on 7.2x for spot-on focusing, however not visible on 14.4x for LEICA WA. On the contrary, peaking will show up on 1x not the 7.2x. You may try and find different scenario dealing with various lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3286 Posted December 5, 2013 The best RF 28 for the A7r, I believe: Sony A7r + Rangefinder Lenses: Images - FM Forums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woorob Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3287 Posted December 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, I was able to shoot five pictures (three with Sony, two with the M) before it got dark (we had the first major snowstorm of the year today, and by 5 o’clock it was quite dark) – first comparing the Zeiss 35/2.8 on the Sony with my Summilux ASPH (pre-FLE) on the M, then a couple of shots with the 35 Summilux on both cameras, then the final two comparing my 75 mm Summicron on both cameras. Strangely, the color balance of a 35mm shots was way off for both cameras. At 35mm, the Sony shot with Zeiss 35/2.8 was very gray and almost bluish, and the Leica shot with the 35 Summilux had a distinct magenta cast to it, even after I applied one of my color calibration profiles. Even more strangely, the color casts were switched in the shots taken with my 75 mm Summicron mounted on both cameras – the Sony shot was too warm (although without a magenta tint) and the Leica shot was a bit on the cool side. I don’t know what to make of this strange color output from both cameras, and wonder whether Lightroom 5.3 has something to do with it. Perhaps the snowstorm generated some type of transient, very odd color cast? In any event, the Zeiss 35/2.8 on the Sony is certainly adequately sharp, although my 35 Summilux on the M is noticeably sharper at the edges. I did not notice any “smearing” at all on the edges of the frame when the 35 Summilux was mounted on the A7R. In terms of the cameras’ respective performance with my 75mm Summicron, both performed well although there is somewhat greater detail visible with the M in the area of the frame about 25% inside from the edges. With a 36 megapixel sensor, I had, frankly, expected the Sony to produce a noticeably sharper image than the M, but based on these [admittedly preliminary and nonscientific] tests, the M is at least as good in every one of the shots and better in most. I have a Sony RX-100 that I really like and have used for thousands of images, so I’m reasonably familiar with the menu layout that Sony uses. That said, I’m finding the A7R’s menu navigation overly complex; it gives me a new appreciation for the simplicity of the M. We’re supposed to have clear skies tomorrow, and I’ll have time to run some more tests. Right now, I’m not blown away, that’s for sure. My wife just reminded that I’d better love it, for over $3,000! And sincere thanks to those who helped me to understand how focus magnification works on the A7R! PS. All my tests are shot just short of infinity at a highly detailed prairie landscape with hardwood trees in the background (about a half-km away), on a tripod at f/5.6, aperture priority mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3288 Posted December 5, 2013 No, no, no. You are supposed to be connecting with 36 million little pixels. I believe that is the point of the exercise with the A7R. Try a little more zooming in when you are in LR and see if that makes you feel better. It is more about that than anything else. Too true but I got the A7 as I really don't need all those pexi little pixels and am more interested in it's AF capabilities with it's native lenses, especially the 55 when it arrives. I already find the 24 megapixel count on the M more than I will ever need for landscape and portrait work and am just in love withe images it creates with the 28 summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3289 Posted December 5, 2013 My sentiments entirely. I spent a whole week fiddling with it and trying multiple lenses ..... but I find the relative simplicity and feeling that the M is an extension of my eye rather than a lump of electonics between me and the subject much more attractive. As an autofocus camera with native lenses it has a place in my armoury ..... but I can't see it replacing my M or MM..... My thoughts exactly. I am really interested to see how it handles with the 55 when it comes out and whether it will beat the X-Pro1 and the superb XF 35 /1.4 (50 equivalent) remains to be seen. the 35 is good but if only it was f2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3290 Posted December 5, 2013 You can see the first images that I took with my A7r and my Leica R50mm Summicron and my Leica 100mm Apo Macro Elmarit lenses both SOOC and after processed through LR5.3RC. These can be seen in the links below posted at FM: Sony A7 and A7r Images and Discussion - FM Forums Sony A7 and A7r Images and Discussion - FM Forums Sony A7 and A7r Images and Discussion - FM Forums Sony A7 and A7r Images and Discussion - FM Forums Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3291 Posted December 5, 2013 Perhaps this is an interesting observation about the å7R... mine is nearing a truck for delivery to me tomorrow, but the necessary Novoflex adapters are another story entirely, even after a week of searching! The Nikon F mount onto Sony E body can be found, but the Leica M mount onto Sony E body seems available only in Japan. Even the Novoflex website only offers "wishlist" status for a NEX/LEM adapter. I ordered it from an outfit in Japan through an AMZN portal and will hope delivery comes eventually. [My RD-1 arrived from a retailer in Tokyo at the dawn of the digital age, so perhaps this is just history repeating itself. That would be good, as the RD-1 was a fabulous camera in 2004!] So, I wonder if a very large wave of Leica shooters have wagered forth on the å7R and snapped up nearly all of the worldwide supply of adapters to get Leica glass in front of the Sony sensor? Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3292 Posted December 5, 2013 Perhaps this is an interesting observation about the å7R... mine is nearing a truck for delivery to me tomorrow, but the necessary Novoflex adapters are another story entirely, even after a week of searching! The Nikon F mount onto Sony E body can be found, but the Leica M mount onto Sony E body seems available only in Japan. Even the Novoflex website only offers "wishlist" status for a NEX/LEM adapter. I ordered it from an outfit in Japan through an AMZN portal and will hope delivery comes eventually. [My RD-1 arrived from a retailer in Tokyo at the dawn of the digital age, so perhaps this is just history repeating itself. That would be good, as the RD-1 was a fabulous camera in 2004!] So, I wonder if a very large wave of Leica shooters have wagered forth on the å7R and snapped up nearly all of the worldwide supply of adapters to get Leica glass in front of the Sony sensor? Peter More likely Novoflex (being a conservative sensible Germanic Company like Leica) has relatively low output and stock levels and was completely unprepared for a jump in demand. I had both my M & R adapters ordered and delivered before the A7 appeared ....habits developed thanks to Leicas inability to produce anything on time ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3293 Posted December 5, 2013 Perhaps this is an interesting observation about the å7R... mine is nearing a truck for delivery to me tomorrow, but the necessary Novoflex adapters are another story entirely, even after a week of searching! The Nikon F mount onto Sony E body can be found, but the Leica M mount onto Sony E body seems available only in Japan. Even the Novoflex website only offers "wishlist" status for a NEX/LEM adapter. I ordered it from an outfit in Japan through an AMZN portal and will hope delivery comes eventually. [My RD-1 arrived from a retailer in Tokyo at the dawn of the digital age, so perhaps this is just history repeating itself. That would be good, as the RD-1 was a fabulous camera in 2004!] So, I wonder if a very large wave of Leica shooters have wagered forth on the å7R and snapped up nearly all of the worldwide supply of adapters to get Leica glass in front of the Sony sensor? Peter Stopgap while you search...I've used the "pro" level adapters and found them to be very suitable for M to E adaptation. Fotodiox Pro Lens Mount Adapter, Leica M Lens to Sony Alpha Nex Camera Adapter, fit Sony NEX 3, NEX 5, fits Leica M lens, CL lens, Ernst Leitz Canada's ELCAN lens, Konica Hexar RF lens, and Minolta CL, CLE Rokkor Lens, Voigtländer lenses With the Bes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3294 Posted December 5, 2013 I wonder why nobody is taping up that rather prominent Sony badge for “stealth”. That'll be the FIRST thing I'd do. All of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3295 Posted December 5, 2013 Thomas, I look forward to your findings with the new adapter to help me decide if I want to now spend even more money on the version 3. Just found V3 on ebay. Rich Rich, Today I took some "real world" pictures casually with A7R 7 & 35Cron ASPH & Hawk Ver.3 adapter. You may find part of them at the link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/84son8awlk932oo/02aXj5zfuU All images are OOC jpeg, contrast +1, sharpness +1, and DRO level 3. 1/500 s, Auto ISO, and S priority. Under f2, f4, and f8. Images 524, 525, and 544 shows that aiming at a blue sky tends to create vigenetting and color shift, not so much for the overcast sky. (I seldom target my Leica lenses towards the blue sky attempting to catch the image of UFO). Images 512, 520, 530, and 543 are for test your capability in identifying where the smearing is. Images 533, 535, and 536 are for observing the "Bokeh" effect of 35Cron on A7R.. Taking into account of size, weight, and ease of operation, A7R 7 & 35Cron ASPH is a perfect match. Vigenetting, color shift, and smearing only take place when and where they take title to happen, if my test can be generalized to all the cases. Best Regards, Thomas Chen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbroomfield Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3296 Posted December 5, 2013 Thomas, Thank you. It is disappointing that I purchased my version 2.5 near the end of September and it has now been replaced with a new version 3.0 just a short time ago. At this point, I only have the Minolta CLE MC 40mm f2 M-Rokkor lens. I may purchase a CV 21mm f1.8 Ultron toward mid to late January. I look forward to your findings with the new adapter to help me decide if I want to now spend even more money on the version 3. Just found V3 on ebay. Rich Rich, can you post a link pls? The only V3 I saw was clearly a 2.5 Do we know what type of lenses will vignette? I would guess fast lenses with a large rear element? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3297 Posted December 5, 2013 Rich, can you post a link pls? The only V3 I saw was clearly a 2.5 Do we know what type of lenses will vignette? I would guess fast lenses with a large rear element? Here is the ebay link but I have no experience with either helicoid adapter at this point: Hawk's Factory Leica M L M to Sony E Mount Macro Tube Helicoid V3 for 135 FF | eBay Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3298 Posted December 5, 2013 SLR Magic HyperPrime CINE 35mm T0.95 / f/0.9 (not to confuse with the CINE 50mm T0.95!) on A7R cropped from 3:2 to 4:3 aspect ratio: (Click on image for other sizes) Link to uncropped image in sensor's 3:2 aspect ratio: SLR Magic HyperPrime CINE 35mm T0.95 on Sony A7R - DSC09090 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! For a lens that is designed for crop sensors, the result cropped to 4:3 aspect ratio is in my opinion also acceptible on full frame. Although it comes with an M mount, it can not be used on Leica M and Ricoh GXR M-mount modules due to the size of its huge rear lens element, but can be used with a couple of M-to-E-Mount adapters (e.g. that from Novoflex or that from SLR Magic). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbroomfield Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3299 Posted December 5, 2013 Here is the ebay link but I have no experience with either helicoid adapter at this point: Hawk's Factory Leica M L M to Sony E Mount Macro Tube Helicoid V3 for 135 FF | eBay Rich Thanks Rich! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted December 5, 2013 Share #3300 Posted December 5, 2013 No, no, no. You are supposed to be connecting with 36 million little pixels. I believe that is the point of the exercise with the A7R. Try a little more zooming in when you are in LR and see if that makes you feel better. It is more about that than anything else. So lets just clear this up then - the point of the exercise is IQ and better quality images over warm, fuzzy, gratifying feelings from "Haptics"? I'd rather shoot with an M but if I get better results from another camera, I'm going to take it because I care more about my pictures than the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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