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jedi996sps

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The camera can't do it natively, but there is a new adapter out there that reads the lens coding and adds it to EXIF. I believe that the maker is working on compliance for full frame:

https://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/index.php?page=product

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Thats great, thankyou, i will fire them an email and enquire about availability. If i get anything back, i will post here. :)

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AlanG

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Sony wants you to buy the body with zoom. The A7 body is about $1,700 and the zoom is $1,200 but bought as a kit together they are $2,000 if B & H has them listed correctly. The charger is not shown as included even though it might be. It is listed at $48 and batteries are $38. You can buy three batteris for the price of one Leica.

 

I think you are confusing two different zoom lenses. The 28-70 3.5-5.6 is about $300 more in kit sale only, and the 24-70 f4 is about $1200.

 

Also BigLou posted that he ordered the camera with a 3 year warranty. Was that directly from Sony and how did you get the longer warranty? Their site says it has a 1 year warranty.

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previlo

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Looks not too bad at all, including with M-lensens

 

Sony A7R Hands-On

 

Quote from there:

"Overall, I can not recommend the A7R highly enough for anyone looking to find a new body for their Leica lenses, and who find the price of an M240 a bridge too far, as I did last year. And for those of you with M8, M9 or M240 bodies, the A7R makes a relatively inexpensive second body as well"

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k-hawinkler

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The camera can't do it natively, but there is a new adapter out there that reads the lens coding and adds it to EXIF. I believe that the maker is working on compliance for full frame:

https://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/index.php?page=product

 

That being said, I'd prefer to give up the lens coding and use a Hawk's helicoid adapter, which allows the M lenses to have a much shorter minimum focusing distance.

 

 

I have both adapters.

The Hawk's Factory helicoid adapter is great for closeup shots with M lenses.

The Phigmenttech adapter automatically switches on magnification as soon as one turns the M lens focus ring.

Very nice. I have used it so far on NEX-5N and NEX-7.

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I placed a pre-order as soon as I could. Leica is just lagging behind in the sensor department, I'm sorry. I hope this serves as a wake up call to them. I could buy three A7Rs for one M240 and the A7R theoretically has 25% more resolution. That's bonkers.

 

The biggest drawback to me seems like the loud ass shutter. Not ideal for street photography. But that extra resolution will really help me out. I love printing big.

 

I really think Leica will hesitate to release a 30+ megapixel camera though for fear of cutting into their medium format sales. Nikon and Sony have no aging medium format cameras to worry about.

 

I hate to say it, but unless the sensor of the A7R is lacking in DR or color reproduction for some reason, which I don't think is the case, there's not many good reasons to spend the extra cash on the M240 for most photographers.

 

As soon as Leica releases a 30+ megapixel body though, I'll probably be back on board. Probably...

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ferdinand

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Die A7r ist doch schon eine ernstzunehmende Alternative zur Monochrom, denn sieht man sich mal den Sony Sensor in der D800 im Vergleich zur MM an, dann wird es schwer, ein klares Fazit zu ziehen, zumindest für viele Anwendungen.

 

Gruß

Jochen

 

 

Ne, ne, ein SW vom CMOS Farbsensor sieht anders aus als das vom SW CCD :eek:

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I placed a pre-order as soon as I could. Leica is just lagging behind in the sensor department, I'm sorry. I hope this serves as a wake up call to them. I could buy three A7Rs for one M240 and the A7R theoretically has 25% more resolution. That's bonkers.

 

The biggest drawback to me seems like the loud ass shutter. Not ideal for street photography. But that extra resolution will really help me out. I love printing big.

 

I really think Leica will hesitate to release a 30+ megapixel camera though for fear of cutting into their medium format sales. Nikon and Sony have no aging medium format cameras to worry about.

 

I hate to say it, but unless the sensor of the A7R is lacking in DR or color reproduction for some reason, which I don't think is the case, there's not many good reasons to spend the extra cash on the M240 for most photographers.

 

As soon as Leica releases a 30+ megapixel body though, I'll probably be back on board. Probably...

 

 

Exactly what i thought and did also.

I am sure the sony is not " perfect " but the M240 also is not perfect.

The day Leica will improve the EVF and sensor to give equivalent quality i will consider buying one again.

Maybe this will come in one year, or two, and in the meantime i will have a pragmatic and better solution for my R lenses, and possibly M too.

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K-Photo

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Ne, ne, ein SW vom CMOS Farbsensor sieht anders aus als das vom SW CCD :eek:

 

Ist anders denn besser ?

Was ist besser ?

Bei welcher ISO-Stufe wird gearbeitet ?

Welche Bearbeitungsschritte ?

War es gerade hilfreich, dank der Farbkanäle noch mal ein ausgefressenes Licht retten zu können ?

Welches Ausgabemedium ?

 

Und so weiter könnte man fragen.

 

Zudem ich auch nicht geschrieben hatte, dass es das gleiche wäre, sondern eine Alternative und die muss nicht gleich aussehen.

 

Gruß

Jochen

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CalArts 99

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I have both adapters.

The Hawk's Factory helicoid adapter is great for closeup shots with M lenses.

The Phigmenttech adapter automatically switches on magnification as soon as one turns the M lens focus ring.

Very nice. I have used it so far on NEX-5N and NEX-7.

 

Does the Hawk have any sort of lock so that you can't accidentally extend it (i.e., if you're photographing in a situation where you're not re-focusing all the time like with zone focusing, etc..)? I'd really like closer focusing with M lenses (a true downside to rangefinders, imho) but I'm curious about the ergonomics of using something like the Hawk. Is it dampened enough not to create any issues? Does it have a tab or something to make it easier to use? Does it interfere at all with the existing focus ergonomics of the M lenses?

Thanks!

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Ich sehe die A7 /A7r schon jetzt als Zweitbody der RX1 gegenüber überlegen.

 

Für die A7® gibt es ja auch ein neues 35mm Zeiss, wenn auch eine Blende schwächer als das fest verbaute an der RX1, alternativ die anderen neuen Objektive wie das Zeiss 55 1.8, das 24-40 4, etc..

Somit ist die Sony A7 werksseitig schon eine wahre Alternative, als Zweitbody zur M noch mehr, da man im Gegensatz zur RX1 ja die Option der Adaption hat.

 

Gruß

Jochen

 

Zähneknirschend vielleicht :)

Aber ich sprach ja auch bewusst von der Summe der Eigenschaften. Und dann könnte das schon passen

Aber 2.0 nicht mehr zu haben, wäre schon schade!

 

Finde gerade keine Angaben zur Naheinstellgrenze der neuen Objektive an der alpha7. Vielleicht jemand von euch?

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Ist anders denn besser ?

Was ist besser ?

Bei welcher ISO-Stufe wird gearbeitet ?

Welche Bearbeitungsschritte ?

War es gerade hilfreich, dank der Farbkanäle noch mal ein ausgefressenes Licht retten zu können ?

Welches Ausgabemedium ?

 

Und so weiter könnte man fragen.

 

Zudem ich auch nicht geschrieben hatte, dass es das gleiche wäre, sondern eine Alternative und die muss nicht gleich aussehen.

 

Gruß

Jochen

 

.... ich hab's vor meinen Augen :)

 

SW-MM - SW-M240 - SW-M9 - SW-Canon 5D MKIII - SW-RX1

 

alles nicht schlecht aber die von der MM sind einfach anders vom Micro-Kontrast und der Anmutung. Die Farb-Konvertierungen haben allerdings mehr Optionen zum Spielen:)

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IkarusJohn

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Placed my order today.

 

This is a no brainer. My M series cameras are fantastic for the 21mm to 90mm primes I have, and I will keep them and keep using them. There is no substitute for the coupled rangefinder, when that is the tool for the job.

 

The M(240) didn't do it for me. Holding one in my hands, then picking up my Monochrom (visually almost identical), the M9(240) was bigger and heavier - not something I normally mind, but the Monochrom is really quite heavy enough. My problem with the M(240) is more that it tries to be all things to all men, and there it falls down. The beauty of the previous Ms is their simplicity. I know the M9 & Monochrom are not really that simple, but they play to the core of photography that the M3 embodies, and I love them for that. The M(240) is a confused puppy for me - sure, it is probably a better CRF camera than the M9, but the rest is a kludge, and I'm not convinced the CMOSIS sensor actually has better IQ than the CCD in the M9.

 

The A7 is not really a competitor for the M camera - it isn't a rangefinder, and it has no pretensions to the history that the M has. It seems to be a pure and simple electronic computer - the camera that Leica should have made.

 

  • I'm relieved there will be no charger - boy, am I sick of chargers. I suspect I can plug the USB cable into my iPhone charger, my car charger or any other flaking charger that is tangled up in my electronics drawer
  • I agree with Ming about the lenses - I will be using my Leica primes :-) Oh boy, Noctilux, Summilux 50, Summilux 75, Summilux 21, Summicron 90 - Yah Hoo!
  • being able to focus off-centre is a huge issue (for me, one of the biggest failings of the M(240) - one of the features I use most with the D800E is the focus spot
  • shutter noise? Meh
  • cheap!
  • Novoflex LEM adapter already sitting in the drawer!
  • tripod? A very good photographer once said to me there are two types of photograph - those taken with a tripod and those that should have been taken with a tripod. Hopefully, with no mirror crash, 1/8000 will do the job hand held

 

What's not to like, provided the IQ stacks up - now that's a biggy. Who'll sell me a Vario-Elmarit-R 28-90 at a reasonable price?

 

PS - I don't really think this will hurt the M(240) that badly, provided the next iteration is more clearly focused. This camera will kill the X-Vario and (with the RX1) the X2 stone dead. I think it is very sad that Leica did not release a camera like this last May when we all thought they would. They have seriously missed the boat. dSLR is in a terrible place, and cameras like this and the RX1 and RX10 (I guess) are the future. CRF cameras like the M are never going to be mainstream again. So what is Leica to do? If they dust off an earlier (or current) project and tush it to market, what will the price be, and when can they actually deliver it, and how long before they sort out the quality control issues that have plagued almost every Leica camera since the M8.

 

Sorry to sound pessimistic, but it seems to me that Leica has played this very badly.

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The "camera of the month" boys are at it again...

 

These Sony cameras may be fantastic, but I would want to see more of the color rendition and how wide-angle M-lenses do on these cameras. On the other hand, I haven't been waiting around for a 36MP cameras, as I have printed 100x150 cm (40x60 inches) without any problems.

 

The only non-Leica camera that I've had is the Ricoh GXR M-Module, which is excellent, and is designed for M-Lenses, although it's not full frame. I found that I hated focus peaking (although it worked well) and the color rendition was nowhere near as good as that of the M9. Using Raw Photo Processor (RPP), I could get somewhere near where I wanted to be on terms of color, but I found that I like the colors from the M9 much better.

 

—Mitch/Paris

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Does the Hawk have any sort of lock so that you can't accidentally extend it (i.e., if you're photographing in a situation where you're not re-focusing all the time like with zone focusing, etc..)? I'd really like closer focusing with M lenses (a true downside to rangefinders, imho) but I'm curious about the ergonomics of using something like the Hawk. Is it dampened enough not to create any issues? Does it have a tab or something to make it easier to use? Does it interfere at all with the existing focus ergonomics of the M lenses?

Thanks!

 

 

No lock. It has a tab.

So, for closeup work one would turn the helicoid one way and then use the focus ring on the lens.

Turning the helicoid the other way doesn't extend the adapter so that one can focus to infinity.

The helicoid seems to be stiff enough so that it stays in place.

It's easy to operate once camera and lens are attached.

 

I have adapters for Leica M, V, and R as well as Nikon F and G lenses to adapt to Sony E mount.

What I don't know is if all adapters are wide enough for FF so that they don't vignette any of my lenses.

All the adapters seem fine in this regard for APS-C size sensors.

 

Roger Cicala from LensRentals has studied the mis-alignment of many adapters and their effect on image quality.

A very interesting read indeed.

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