henrike Posted October 4, 2013 Share #1 Posted October 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi everyone, Been waiting for months my new gear, just picked up the jewel yesterday Back at home, summicron 35 plugged in, I start to shoot : besides some dirt on the sensor , I immediately figure out that pictures file names shows L1005260... and keeps increasing by 1 after each shot. Hmmm, weird isn't it? I know there is no way yet to know the exact total shutter count from the EXIF tags (like we were used to do with M9s based on bin/hex conversion) but this file name counter should actually not show such a high count for a brand factory new camera (I could accept few hundreds, not more). Doing a reset of that counter takes it back to L1000000 and turns into L1000001, L1000002 after each shot.....so there's obviously an issue here. I have the feeling I've been given a Q2 refurbished M240. Can I ask the fellow M240 owners what was their initial filename count when they receive their new toy? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gravastar Posted October 4, 2013 Share #2 Posted October 4, 2013 Are you aware that if you have used the SD card in another camera (Leica) the M will increment the image number from the last image on the card? There are so few Ms around that it's unlikely you have a used camera. I think the image count on a new M is usually around a few 10s, mine was about 56. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrike Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted October 4, 2013 Thanks for your feedback bob. Actually I used several cards to test this behavior: first card was empty but got used previously with another leica, and second card was also empty but never got used with a leica. Images saved to the first card started like I said at L1005260 and continued incrementing the same way up when I used the second card. I assume what you describe takes place when you put a card with pictures already in... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huckles Posted October 4, 2013 Share #4 Posted October 4, 2013 I just checked my first shot was L1000012. Picked it up new in August. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedPaul Posted October 4, 2013 Share #5 Posted October 4, 2013 I purchased a factory demo for a slight discount from adorama. I am pleased apparently no imperfections. Not sure how to check the count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 4, 2013 Share #6 Posted October 4, 2013 Thanks for your feedback bob. Actually I used several cards to test this behavior: first card was empty but got used previously with another leica, and second card was also empty but never got used with a leica. Images saved to the first card started like I said at L1005260 and continued incrementing the same way up when I used the second card. I assume what you describe takes place when you put a card with pictures already in... Actually if you used the card from another Leica and then used it on the M240, without formatting it, it would pick up the file numbering system from the previous Leica camera, irrespective of whether the card had been emptied of images or not. I just hope you did not get my M240 refurbished, which was replaced by Leica due to faults Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naper Posted October 4, 2013 Share #7 Posted October 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was also offered a factory referbrished M240 but decided to wait for a fresh new one. I wasn't comfortable not knowing what the problem was or why the camera needed to be sold as "previously owned". Warrantee is reduced to 1 year. Somehow the 5% discount doesn't seem to offset the worry of buying a problem unite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 4, 2013 Share #8 Posted October 4, 2013 It is impossible to know the actual number of actuations. The actual exif 'unique image id' data field has a semi-random numbering system based on an algorithm that only Leica knows. It is non sequential and resets back to a new number every time the camera is switched on and then increments in a non uniform way. The numbering you have has been 'seeded' by a previous numbered image on the SD card. You should reset everything and start again with a blank card formatted in the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted October 5, 2013 Share #9 Posted October 5, 2013 I sent my camera in for calibration with my lenses to Camera Clinic in Melbourne. The numbering started fresh from 10 when I first got it and I've taken just under 1000 pictures since. Took 3 weeks for the service and when I got my camera back the shutter actuations was over 8000. I asked them why it had jumped so much and they said they have a software given by Solms which can count the actuations on the new M and mine was on 8000+ so they left it that way. I bought mine brand new but I'm guessing that it was refurbished by Leica before shipped to my dealer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanLeon Posted October 5, 2013 Share #10 Posted October 5, 2013 I opened the box on the counter of the shop, back in april, and my very first shot was of the dealer itself, numbered L1000001. But I don't know if it was reseted before leaving Solms. This is the picture btw: L1000001.jpg photo - Juan Leon photos at pbase.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted October 5, 2013 Share #11 Posted October 5, 2013 I renumbered my M files to L2000001 when I first got it to prevent accidental overwriting of other Leica files with the same number but from what I recall the count was sitting at L1000078 before I did. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 5, 2013 Share #12 Posted October 5, 2013 I opened the box on the counter of the shop, back in april, and my very first shot was of the dealer itself, numbered L1000001. But I don't know if it was reseted before leaving Solms. This is the picture btw: L1000001.jpg photo - Juan Leon photos at pbase.com The date set in-camera from the factory was: 2008/01/22 Did anything change when you set it to the proper date? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verteidiger Posted October 5, 2013 Share #13 Posted October 5, 2013 I took my first picture with a card formatted in the camera itself and the number it was given was 1000001. Guess that is the way it shoud be with a new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 5, 2013 Share #14 Posted October 5, 2013 Took 3 weeks for the service and when I got my camera back the shutter actuations was over 8000. I asked them why it had jumped so much and they said they have a software given by Solms which can count the actuations on the new M and mine was on 8000+ so they left it that way. I bought mine brand new but I'm guessing that it was refurbished by Leica before shipped to my dealer. That all sounds like bullshi*t to me. They have stuck an old card in to try it with 8k on the meter after re-installing firmware or doing a factory default reset. Even if they could read the true number of actuations and have done a hard reset.... why set the camera to it ? After the lug fiasco mine returned with the firmware upgraded and everything re-set to zero. Using my old last card set me off where I had left off previously. Refurbished without declaring it and with 8k actuations is not a 'new' camera. I got my 'ex demo + refurbished' M9 exchanged for a new one under similar circumstances as I argued that after 8k actuations it was actually second hand .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted October 5, 2013 Share #15 Posted October 5, 2013 That all sounds like bullshi*t to me. They have stuck an old card in to try it with 8k on the meter after re-installing firmware or doing a factory default reset. Even if they could read the true number of actuations and have done a hard reset.... why set the camera to it ? After the lug fiasco mine returned with the firmware upgraded and everything re-set to zero. Using my old last card set me off where I had left off previously. Refurbished without declaring it and with 8k actuations is not a 'new' camera. I got my 'ex demo + refurbished' M9 exchanged for a new one under similar circumstances as I argued that after 8k actuations it was actually second hand .... Well I wasn't happy about it being 8k in actuations when I got it back but they told me they left it at that because it might be useful information to the customer. I had thought about getting some kinda switch for it not being "new" but I'm going on a holiday next week and there would be no chance that I could get a new camera for it by then. Might see if I can sort this out when I get back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLS Posted October 5, 2013 Share #16 Posted October 5, 2013 Just got mine last week - first shot was L1000001.DNG - I did use a brand new SD card, which I formatted using SDFormatter, and then again in the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanLeon Posted October 5, 2013 Share #17 Posted October 5, 2013 The date set in-camera from the factory was: 2008/01/22Did anything change when you set it to the proper date? No, just the date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 6, 2013 Share #18 Posted October 6, 2013 Every M i have gotten has started with L1000001. I reformatted in the new camera a new or old card with the same results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzy11 Posted October 6, 2013 Share #19 Posted October 6, 2013 When i bought my M240, I also had my M9p, which had a SC of around 13xxx Anxious to try the new camera, I took the SD card out from the M9p, and without reformating, inserted into my M240 and started shooting straight away. The file number on the M240 started with 13xxx+1. I actually thought it was quite neat that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzy11 Posted October 6, 2013 Share #20 Posted October 6, 2013 Thanks for your feedback bob. Actually I used several cards to test this behavior: first card was empty but got used previously with another leica, and second card was also empty but never got used with a leica. Images saved to the first card started like I said at L1005260 and continued incrementing the same way up when I used the second card. I assume what you describe takes place when you put a card with pictures already in... Henrike, i think this is normal. If you inserted the second card (i.e the one which has never been used with any Leica) into the M240, and if the M240 was brand new, and never had any other card inserted into it before, only then would the count start from 0. If you inserted the first card into the M240 first, then the camera would reset its internal counter based on whatever reading it gets from the first card. Once this is set, you will need to reset the counter in order for it to start from 0. Insertion of a new card will simply continue the count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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