MarkP Posted March 1, 2014 Share #61 Posted March 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) That 75 Summilux always gives you a little more than you expected, huh? Yes indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 Hi MarkP, Take a look here Strange sound when recording video on the M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MarkP Posted March 1, 2014 Share #62 Posted March 1, 2014 Well I've just bought a RODE Stereo Videomic Pro (dead kitten included ) and a Hama flat flash-mount plate. Very compact setup. Sound quality is fantastic! No background machinery noise (tested with high-quality Sure SE535 IEMs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 1, 2014 Share #63 Posted March 1, 2014 Do you mount the mic on to your camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 1, 2014 Share #64 Posted March 1, 2014 Look at you buddy, once again letting Leica off the hook for another one of their screw ups. . It would have been nice if Leica had outdone real video cams with their sound, yes. My wife has a Legria 57 HFR video cam which is touted by Canon for ”exceptional sound” and it is just as crappy. You’re a fine one, Rick, biting my head off first and agreeing with somebody else making the same point within 30 minutes… The other problem with your post is that the M is not really designed to be a professional video cameta where the end user would likely have external digital recorders and microphones and PP synching etc… Well, the video we saw here made that way sounded (and looked) pretty darn good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 1, 2014 Share #65 Posted March 1, 2014 Do you mount the mic on to your camera? The microphone adapter sits in the hot shoe so the microphone cannot be mounted on the camera. Hence the need for a flash bracket. Sorry the pics are a bit B grade... (microphone without the dead kitten ) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Now don't get me wrong - this video setup is only for very occasional use! I bought the M240 to use as part of a compact rangefinder system, but with it I can have just one system that is versatile enough for my other photographic and (limited) video needs. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Now don't get me wrong - this video setup is only for very occasional use! I bought the M240 to use as part of a compact rangefinder system, but with it I can have just one system that is versatile enough for my other photographic and (limited) video needs. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/213570-strange-sound-when-recording-video-on-the-m/?do=findComment&comment=2541430'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 1, 2014 Share #66 Posted March 1, 2014 I think Leica made a serious error in not including a microphone socket on the MF grip. If I wanted to use an M240 seriously for video (I don’t), I would want to use the EVF and an external microphone. All they needed to do was to put a 2.5mm jack socket with 3 contacts (or 4 if they wanted power as well for condenser microphones but often like my Sony dead kitten microphone, these can be powered by button lithium cells). An alternative would have been to include a micro HDMI on the MF grip so you could use one of the many mini-monitors that are available in different sizes. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 1, 2014 Share #67 Posted March 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think Leica made a serious error in not including a microphone socket on the MF grip. If I wanted to use an M240 seriously for video (I don’t), I would want to use the EVF and an external microphone. All they needed to do was to put a 2.5mm jack socket with 3 contacts (or 4 if they wanted power as well for condenser microphones but often like my Sony dead kitten microphone, these can be powered by button lithium cells). An alternative would have been to include a micro HDMI on the MF grip so you could use one of the many mini-monitors that are available in different sizes. Wilson You're right. I looked at the specs for the multifunction grip again today before buying this to confirm there was no microphone or headphone jack. So much for the 'multi-function' grip. Having said that, I used this setup hand-held today with the 75 Summilux, focusing and framing through the optical viewfinder - it was just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted March 1, 2014 Share #68 Posted March 1, 2014 Any news about this?I think my M has the same problem. Solms told me to use Sandisc Ultra Class 6 SD-cards with 8 or 32 GB. The cards so old that no body is selling them. They should produce less of the beeb sound. Or to use the external microphone for high quality sound. Reminds me of the old story about the M8 IR filters. 2 filters are about 200 Euros - the external microphone is about 180 Euros. Lets see how this story will go on. Hi, well, some frustrating news in my case My M240 came back from Solms/Wetlzar last week in the exact same condition with the repetitive "beep beep" sound unsolved. They just gave me the same recommendation as you and recommended the use of an external microphone. Sure, it is a better/serious way to record audio but technically, the problem is still there, somewhere inside the camera... I'm really frustrated because they did nothing. Even the sensor, which "needed" to be replaced as they quoted me, hasn't been... I don't understand... I'm not doing any pro or so serious video with my M240, just some personal things but it's very frustrating to hear the silly "beep beep" sound over my parents voices in videos. Everyone hears it, saying what a pity. Well, I just say sorry. Not because of the sound quality, but because of that beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep... So yes, buying an external microphone/sound recording system is the only solution. Or find a M240 free of this problem. Well, fortunately, nothing wrong when taking photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 1, 2014 Share #69 Posted March 1, 2014 My M240 beeps on video (about 1 beep a second) using my normal SanDisk 32GB Extreme Pro cards. I got an old 16GB Ultra card out of a drawer, formatted it in the M240, thinking what possible difference can that make. Sure enough Leica are correct - no beeping. This problem therefore, I am sure, must be soluble in a firmware upgrade. It must be down to the way that the camera is writing to the card. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted March 1, 2014 Share #70 Posted March 1, 2014 Hi Wilson, I am really glad it worked for you, it gives me some hope. Unfortunately, that didn't change anything in my case. I also tried an old Sandisk Ultra 8Gb (15mo/s) and it is still the same. I looked if there was a black cat hidding somewhere, but no. More seriously, I will try other old/slow cards and other brands in case of. Who knows. In the meantime, no more video with the camera, just photos. Tant pis ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 1, 2014 Share #71 Posted March 1, 2014 Ginko - Well, I'll get mine next week with a new main board and I'll let you know if it solved the problem. As I've stated from the start. I believe it may just be the electronics getting back into an unshielded piece of board or wire. Probably, a design flaw that will get a fix in the next M. Not a deal breaker, but I wish Leica would put out bulletins for the service people so they at least have a clue. I'd much prefer the facts, I can handle it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redge Posted March 1, 2014 Share #72 Posted March 1, 2014 I think Leica made a serious error in not including a microphone socket on the MF grip. If I wanted to use an M240 seriously for video (I don’t), I would want to use the EVF and an external microphone. All they needed to do was to put a 2.5mm jack socket with 3 contacts (or 4 if they wanted power as well for condenser microphones but often like my Sony dead kitten microphone, these can be powered by button lithium cells). An alternative would have been to include a micro HDMI on the MF grip so you could use one of the many mini-monitors that are available in different sizes. Wilson I think that someone who wants to use an M240 "seriously for video" will use an external recorder as well as an external microphone. The advantages are significant: 1. better quality sound 2. greater control while recording 3. the ability to record sound without the camera. All three are important, but the third is perhaps not sufficiently understood. The ability to record sound by itself enables one to record narration and wild sound that can be inserted into the final video. By wild sound, I mean the many sounds, from ambience (e.g. street sounds, surf breaking, a subway train) to the sound of a wooden match striking, that give a video sound detail and life. An HDMI port would have been nice, but is certainly not essential. I think that photojournalist and videographer Sean Smith pretty much got it right when he wrote recently in The Guardian: "In the last few years, at last, Leica have made up for lost time. With the new M Type 240, it has produced a camera that could be as revolutionary for documentary video as its first camera was for still photography. "What makes the new Leica so special is that the rangefinder gives the intimacy of a small camera, but you also get its legendary lenses. I think a new kind of journalistic video will be able to take a very large step forward thanks to the M type 240, and the new video function on this camera could be as important as those early Leicas". Here is a video that Smith made with the M: Funny Girls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 1, 2014 Share #73 Posted March 1, 2014 NeverthelessI think Leica really blew it by not allowing the option of using an EVF with an external sound input. For my limited video requirements at this time I really don't really want/need to record sound separately (despite all of the obvious advantages in quality) so I can use an EVF. I don't see how Leica can fix this unless they produce their own EVF with a microphone jack (or some intermediate microphone adapter upon which the EVF is then mounted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 2, 2014 Share #74 Posted March 2, 2014 Mark, What is the spec (sensitivity, output voltage etc) of that big microphone you are using with the SEMA adapter. I have a couple of big Sony shotgun microphones sitting in my cupboard, which if the output voltages are compatible might work well with the M240. They both have the option of being self powered by internal coin cells, although they do have a separate 2.5mm power jack. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 2, 2014 Share #75 Posted March 2, 2014 Mark, What is the spec (sensitivity, output voltage etc) of that big microphone you are using with the SEMA adapter. I have a couple of big Sony shotgun microphones sitting in my cupboard, which if the output voltages are compatible might work well with the M240. They both have the option of being self powered by internal coin cells, although they do have a separate 2.5mm power jack. Wilson Hi Wilson, spec sheet: http://wpc.660d.edgecastcdn.net/80660D/downloads/stereovideomicpro_datasheet.pdf I've been using it with the 28-90 and 75 Summilux since I bought it yesterday. Very pleased with the results. It's not that big - tennis ball sized with the foam cover. There is a lot of very interesting information on sound recording and the M240 on some current threads. I have learned a lot but at this stage these external sound recorders are more sophisticated than my needs. Hope this helps. Regards, Mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 2, 2014 Share #76 Posted March 2, 2014 Mark, Thanks for the information. I think if I could raise any enthusiasm at all for video, I would get something less professional and expensive than the Zoom H6 digital sound recorder that Thorsten talks about in his blog today. Something like the Sanyo Xacti would produce better sound than using the internal audio recorder and only costs around £50. Dubbing and synching sound tracks is now so easy on even the basic iMovie, that it makes sense to record the sound separately if you are serious about video. However I cannot raise much enthusiasm about video. There are two pretty much unused full HD video cameras sitting around the house (a Sony and a JVC), which I bought for videoing my rally activities before deciding my videos were totally yawn making. I must get round to selling them on Fleabay. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 2, 2014 Share #77 Posted March 2, 2014 I think you're in the same situation as me. I need to shoot some video occasionally, mainly for family stuff, but there are times I want better sound quality than from the internal or Leica external microphone (which I also have). This RODE microphone does that perfectly for me. My Canon Digicam has sat unused faor two years s I don't want to take out a still and video camera but there are times when I did want to shoot some video. The M240 solves that problem. You've reminded me that I should get rid of that unused Canon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 5, 2014 Share #78 Posted March 5, 2014 Received my camera back from Leica NJ to repair various things including the beeping sound. It looks like the main board and sensor and the rear LCD are all new. Camera still makes the same beeping sound. Hard to fix something that they don't know what I'm talking about. They were not able to duplicate the sound and were unwilling to have someone call me so I could explain. Typical Leica BS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redge Posted March 5, 2014 Share #79 Posted March 5, 2014 Received my camera back from Leica NJ to repair various things including the beeping sound. It looks like the main board and sensor and the rear LCD are all new. Camera still makes the same beeping sound. Hard to fix something that they don't know what I'm talking about. They were not able to duplicate the sound and were unwilling to have someone call me so I could explain. Typical Leica BS. On the previous page in this thread, I suggested how to document this so that Leica and others can analyze the problem. You ignored the advice. Given that you won't do what's necessary, and indeed basic, it's impossible to be sympathetic. In the circumstances, calling out Leica for BS is itself BS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 5, 2014 Share #80 Posted March 5, 2014 Received my camera back from Leica NJ to repair various things including the beeping sound. It looks like the main board and sensor and the rear LCD are all new. Camera still makes the same beeping sound. Hard to fix something that they don't know what I'm talking about. They were not able to duplicate the sound and were unwilling to have someone call me so I could explain. Typical Leica BS. I can hear it on mine and after years of driving unsilenced racing cars and rifle shooting, I am quite deaf. I can only assume Leica did not want to hear it or used an old Ultra SD card, where we know the beeping does not occur. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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