lct Posted September 13, 2013 Share #41 Posted September 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Specs don't say anything about blackout times AFAIK. I wonder if you don't confuse them with startup times Jaap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted September 13, 2013 Share #42 Posted September 13, 2013 No they are not publicized afaik. But if a number of posters report about 2 seconds, if I find 1.5 by the stopwatch ( it is a bit longer with some other SD cards -so it unexpectedly appears to have something to do with write times- which corresponds to other users), I can only conclude one of two things: either you are using a stopwatch that is running double fast or there is something going on with your camera. Four seconds is indeed ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 13, 2013 Share #43 Posted September 13, 2013 Or we don't use stopwatches the same way. When do you start and stop yours to measure blackout times if i may ask? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2013 Share #44 Posted September 13, 2013 I start synchronous with the EVF blacking out and stop when the view reappears. If I measure from the shutter press I get close to two seconds but never over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share #45 Posted September 13, 2013 1 second or 2 seconds it doesn't matter which it still makes the EVF unusable (at least for me) with people shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2013 Share #46 Posted September 13, 2013 Why? And why would you use the EVF for the focal lengths one uses to photograph people? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 13, 2013 Share #47 Posted September 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I start synchronous with the EVF blacking out and stop when the view reappears. If I measure from the shutter press I get close to two seconds but never over. OK so you don't count the fixed image in your measure do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2013 Share #48 Posted September 13, 2013 I don't have a fixed image. I have auto-review switched off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper67 Posted September 13, 2013 Share #49 Posted September 13, 2013 I can shoot at least 4/5 frames in those 1 to 2 secs if the scene is 'developing'...so anything that doesn't allow me to move around whilst viewing and shooting is of no real use to me. It is not a tool to advance my style of photography...pity cause I liked it when I used it but it's not made for fast shooting unfortunately... Alexandros Demetriades - Photographer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2013 Share #50 Posted September 13, 2013 It has an optical viewfinder that is the primary system. The EVF is really not meant for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 13, 2013 Share #51 Posted September 13, 2013 I don't have a fixed image. I have auto-review switched off. OK so from the shutter press with auto review off (or release button pressed) i got between 1.5s and 5s blackout times in AE and auto iso mode depending upon aperture and luminosity. About 2s average in daylight i would say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 13, 2013 Share #52 Posted September 13, 2013 OK so from the shutter press with auto review off (or release button pressed) i got between 1.5s and 5s blackout times in AE and auto iso mode depending upon aperture and luminosity. About 2s average in daylight i would say. Same for me. But, as viramati stated, it makes the EVF useless for shooting people or anything that is other than just framing. And even that is annoyingly slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 13, 2013 Share #53 Posted September 13, 2013 It did find a work around today for the EVF heating up problems with turning off and going dim bug. I leave the camera in sleep mode OFF. I just use the power dial to switch the camera on as it was pointed out that the start-up time is the same as sleep. This way I become the sleep computer and only turn the camera off when needed. This way it is always ready to shoot and I don't have to lose shots because of the unacceptably slow 2+ second start-up. Also, I can leave the EVF on the camera when needed to frame. Since, the camera is always on when I want it on, I just have to push the EVF button which has a very short start-up time, almost instantaneous. This keeps the camera cool and the EVF at the ready. So, I've switched to sleep OFF and 3 batteries in my pocket because I got too frustrated losing pictures because of the slow start-up time. Leica, you need to address this, please. Today is Dubrovnik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 13, 2013 Share #54 Posted September 13, 2013 ...I've switched to sleep OFF and 3 batteries in my pocket because I got too frustrated losing pictures because of the slow start-up time. Leica, you need to address this, please... Same for me. Don't forget to switch the camera off after shootings though as battery drain can be fast actually. Leica will hear us hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 13, 2013 Share #55 Posted September 13, 2013 Same for me. Don't forget to switch the camera off after shootings though as battery drain can be fast actually. Leica will hear us hopefully. I thought it was you I got this idea from. Good idea. Thanks. I just figure that the arbitrary 2-min is stupid, and a guess at when I want the camera turned off. I turn the camera off when, I think I am going into sleep mode!!! How would the camera know when I don't need it anymore? This actually works very well and like you say, the start up time is the same... As they say in Fira, Santorini, "You can take the donkey or the tram to the top of the hill. It is the same price. If, I was the Donkey guy, I'd be keeping that little bit of information to myself." - Ron White And, if I were Leica, I'd be keeping the fact that Sleep and OFF are the same thing to myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomgc61 Posted September 13, 2013 Share #56 Posted September 13, 2013 I got an EVF-2 today and I have to say I like it as an extra to the 240. It is a bit creaky and it feels like an add on but that is in its favour as I would hate to think it ever replaced the traditional rangefinder action which is special. If you have optical issues which I do, then it does give you another dimension for focusing and composing in low light quite effectively as it has a diopter and it has some useful bits of information and dof as well. In full light I really struggle to focus as accurately as the rangefinder however. All in all though a great little addition to the armoury. Looks quite funky on the M as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pklein Posted September 13, 2013 Share #57 Posted September 13, 2013 While you folks are putting an EVF on an optical rangefinder, I've been doing the opposite. Homage to Feininger's "The Photojournalist" | Flickr - Photo Sharing! It helps a bit in terms of seeing things when they happen, rather than a couple of dozen milliseconds after they happen. "Live View" of any kind is really "Almost Live" with current technology. This is why, as much as I like my Oly E-M5, I am still loving my M8, and lusting for an M240 once the Unobtanium of which it is made decays to a more readily available element. IMHO, the Leica RF is still the best Decisive Moment camera, with the fastest DSLRs a reasonable second and mirrorless cameras quite a bit behind. The Live View on the M240 is nice to have, but it's a secondary function. The RF is still primary. --Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 13, 2013 Share #58 Posted September 13, 2013 Startup and wakeup times are not shorter in rangefinder mode i'm afraid. Unless one disables the sleeping mode, at the risk of premature battery drain, the M240 is simply too slow for the decisive moment at present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share #59 Posted September 13, 2013 While you folks are putting an EVF on an optical rangefinder, I've been doing the opposite.Homage to Feininger's "The Photojournalist" | Flickr - Photo Sharing! It helps a bit in terms of seeing things when they happen, rather than a couple of dozen milliseconds after they happen. "Live View" of any kind is really "Almost Live" with current technology. This is why, as much as I like my Oly E-M5, I am still loving my M8, and lusting for an M240 once the Unobtanium of which it is made decays to a more readily available element. IMHO, the Leica RF is still the best Decisive Moment camera, with the fastest DSLRs a reasonable second and mirrorless cameras quite a bit behind. The Live View on the M240 is nice to have, but it's a secondary function. The RF is still primary. --Peter Yes of course the RF is primary but secondary or not I would have hoped that it could have at least have performed as well as the XE-1 from this point of view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2013 Share #60 Posted September 13, 2013 Startup and wakeup times are not shorter in rangefinder mode i'm afraid. Unless one disables the sleeping mode, at the risk of premature battery drain, the M240 is simply too slow for the decisive moment at present.If it is a real decisive moment any camera is too slow if you carry it switched off. The magic word is anticipation. Don't get caught by surprise. The camera should be at your eye ready to shoot within milliseconds, not asleep at your side.The same for the blackout. If you want to take a second shot the guy will be lying in the puddle anyway. Use the real-time optical viewfinder Leica so thoughtfully provided. You won't be shooting an 18 mm for people, nor a 280. I should be more concerned about the blackout - I do wildlife, I cannot avoid it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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