lct Posted September 8, 2013 Share #21 Posted September 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ..Its not a race.............keep the camera on 24/7 just tap the shutter release to wake the camera up when you need to shoot And get a dozen batteries due to battery drain. Seriously, wakeup times are as long as startup times on the M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Hi lct, Take a look here Super Duper SD card for the new M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pop Posted September 10, 2013 Share #22 Posted September 10, 2013 .... to me the word lossless and compression do not belong together in the same phrase. They are mutually exclusive events. (...) Besides storage is cheap, cheap, cheap.(...) "Lossless compression" and "lossy compression" are technical terms which accurately describe what's happening. In other words, losslessly compressing any file will not lose any information but just remove extra bits which do not carry any meaningful data.Storage may be cheap but the extra time involved in copying and backing up the larger files might carry its own cost. The only practical use of uncompressed image files I can think of is when you intend to use any software which does not handle the compressed files. Off the top of the head, I can not think of any, however. I presume that anyone who does use such software knows quite well what file formats the software understands and which ones it does not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted September 11, 2013 Share #23 Posted September 11, 2013 Heading into town to buy a few new SD cards for the new M............any recommendationsIf I remember rightly anything bigger than 16GB in a M9-P caused potential freezes, is that the same in the M I am using my old cards and waiting for the new firmware. There are some issues with cards right now (some are very slow, some less slow, but all slower than what Leica specs say) and situation may change after the new firmware becomes available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted September 11, 2013 Share #24 Posted September 11, 2013 I got one of these today and will try this first before I get another one. I do have a bunch of 16 GB cards but I am thinking I can hopefully get a days shooting onto one card ~350 pictures Neil, I use these as well without any issues. I did purchase the 64GB card as well, but had to return it. It just isn't compatible. From all the people I have spoken with, as of right now, 32 GB is the workable limit. I had a similar problem when I bought the 64GB card for use in the first slot of my D800. You loose the last 10 images if the card reaches the limit. Nikon said that there isn't a fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 11, 2013 Share #25 Posted September 11, 2013 The file size on the M (compressed) can vary quite a bit (get it? ) File sizes I've seen can be between 17-31 MB. I just finished shooting a 64GB card and it held 2097 pictures. No lost pictures at the end... don't worry. Larger cards work fine on the M. I have used 128MB cards. The cards I have with me to Europe right now are 64MB Panasonic gold cards, 90/45 read/write. Start up times on these larger cards (for me) are all about the same, 2 sec. Sometimes for what ever reason I get fast start up times that are under 2 seconds. I am not searching for the Holly Grail of cards. Shoot what ever size you have. The start up times on my large cards don't slow down as the card gets full. I do, though. I don't believe that larger cards are inherently more risky to shoot than small ones. Of course, if you lose a card you would want to lose a smaller card with less images on it. But, larger cards have the advantage that they are handled less than smaller cards and need to be reformatted less. There may be advantages to using larger cards that out-weigh the logic of smaller cards being better. I will not lose my larger card... it is in the camera. A bunch of smaller cards need to be kept track of, etc... After a day of shooting I download my card to my MacAir and then from there to a portable drive. That gives me 3 copies on different media. The 64MB card goes back into the camera and doesn't need to be erased or formatted. I carry a lot less cards on a trip with 64MB cards. At 2,000 shots per card, you can see that it simplifies the clutter of keeping track of a bunch of little cards. Also, lossless compressed means lossless. No loss. Bit for bit identical. Same bits in, same bits out. Don't shoot uncompressed. Shoot lossless compressed. Leica's implementation of their compression scheme is lossless. A file can be compressed and still be lossless. Imagine a sponge. It has a lot of air in it. When you compress it the air goes out of it and the sponge becomes smaller and easier to handle, faster to move around. When you uncompress the sponge you get the exact sponge back to the one you compressed because, the sponge has a bunch of air that isn't needed to create the sponge's physical shape. When you uncompress the sponge it comes back exactly like it was before you compressed it. Same sponge. Identical. The air is the part of the file that really smart math guys know how to squeeze out when compressed. But, they kept track of where the air goes when it is time to uncompress. Taking the "maximum size picture" has nothing to do with lossless compression. You can take the maximum file size and still compress it smaller with the Leica M and not lose anything... lossless! Larger cards don't slow down upload speeds in LR becuse you have to sort through duplicates. LR can be told to ignore duplicates. It does slow things down by some amount of seconds, but it is really insignificant. Get a USB 3 card reader. It will speed up transfer speeds from your camera cards to LR significantly. Especially if you have shot video. I recommend the little black Transend USB 3 card reader. I think it was about $15. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 11, 2013 Share #26 Posted September 11, 2013 Rick, Many thanks for sharing your experiences. How about posting one picture to juice up this thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted September 11, 2013 Share #27 Posted September 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do since to me the word lossless and compression do not belong together in the same phrase. They are mutually exclusive events. This has been discussed here before. LFI 1/2007 and 2/2007 told the story about the uncompresses format and compressed format for M8. M240 may be another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 12, 2013 Share #28 Posted September 12, 2013 M240 is indeed another story. The compression on M8/M9 is lossy; the compression on the M is lossless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 12, 2013 Share #29 Posted September 12, 2013 Rick, Many thanks for sharing your experiences. How about posting one picture to juice up this thread? Hi Karl - This was taken just 2-1/2 hours ago at 6:30 am outside our door. I had to use the 50 Summilux. Wonderful destination. I can almost see dwbell from here. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ps. My new avatar was taken just 20 feet up on the second step, looking out to the left. Local town dog was sleeping on the wall and got up and stretched. (When I was younger I was one too). pps. Shot at f16. Why would anyone want to shoot a FLE 50mm Summilux/1.4 at f16? Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ps. My new avatar was taken just 20 feet up on the second step, looking out to the left. Local town dog was sleeping on the wall and got up and stretched. (When I was younger I was one too). pps. Shot at f16. Why would anyone want to shoot a FLE 50mm Summilux/1.4 at f16? ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/212289-super-duper-sd-card-for-the-new-m/?do=findComment&comment=2418887'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 12, 2013 Share #30 Posted September 12, 2013 Thanks Rick! Gorgeous light! Fabulous shot! Just love it! Cool avatar indeed! You and dwbell should get together and compare notes. Be safe! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Andersen Posted September 12, 2013 Share #31 Posted September 12, 2013 Who gives a crap how long it takes to upload files to a computer.............get a mac with a thunderbold reader if need be, or better still surf the golf or porno channels while waiting for the files to upload:D Hi. I have looked for a thunderbolt reader. Who are producing it, and where to buy? Hope for your advice. Albert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted September 12, 2013 Share #32 Posted September 12, 2013 M240 is indeed another story. The compression on M8/M9 is lossy; the compression on the M is lossless. Thanks! Is there anyone, perhaps Hr. M.J. Hussmann, tells more about the loseless compression for M240, in addition to his brief touch in LFI 3/2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroldp Posted September 12, 2013 Share #33 Posted September 12, 2013 I don't own an M240 but I prefer more small cards above less big cards; if a card stops there will less lost in that case. I use Lexar 8Gb for 4 years now without trouble. My Sandisks have given trouble, except my 16Gb on the MM. I'm not a speed guy when it comes to cards btw I have not had trouble with Sandisk cards I confirmed (through write speed tests) as being genuine, but an astonishingly high fraction of 'sandisk' cards in circulation are counterfeit. For some reason this appears to be less of a problem with Lexar. I will only source Sandisk from B & H, Amazon (direct not market). or Adorama. The larger / faster cards are often SDXC, rather than SDHC, which may be causing a problem. Regards .... H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroldp Posted September 12, 2013 Share #34 Posted September 12, 2013 So does anyone shoot with the uncompressed option?? not me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Lynch Posted September 13, 2013 Share #35 Posted September 13, 2013 Just to add to the discussion, I've tested quite a few different types of cards over the past 4 months and all of my Sandisk 8-16GB Extreme Pro 95MB/s have yielded the best results. Reliable: Yes Consistent: Yes Accurate Read/Write Speeds: Yes (margin between reported and actual is the smallest in comparison to other brands) M Issues: None M Start Up Time: 1.9-3s (as discussed in numerous threads) Sandisk is one of the few manufacturers who design and produce their controllers and NAND chips. There are others that have worked quite well with the M too but when reviewing the costs here in the US and for what you get, it's a no brainer (lexar, pny, raw, Panasonic, and delkin are all worst cost-to-value via BH or Amazon) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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