lct Posted August 2, 2013 Share #21 Posted August 2, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I'm using a Pretec SDHC 433× card (32 GB) which I formatted with SDFormatter at some point—but didn't notice any difference. Start-up time was and still is approx. 2 - 2.5 s ... I have no experience with Pretec but some of my "pro" cards take 1.5-2s (Sandisk Extreme Pro 8BG, Panasonic Gold "pro" 8GB, Lexar 600x professional 16GB). The other ones 2-2.5s at the exception of my otherwise sluggish Transcend SD 2GB cards (1-1.5s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Hi lct, Take a look here M Typ 240 lockups. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
StephenPatterson Posted August 2, 2013 Share #22 Posted August 2, 2013 SDFormatter absolutely made a significant difference with my older M8 and M9 cards (Transcend Class 10). I have now been using Sandisk Extreme Pro 32 and 64GB cards and the speeds have been great, but if I notice a reduction in startup I will absolutely reformat out of camera. As for lockups I am still experiencing some when using EVF, especially in high ambient temperatures, but none with the EVF removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted August 2, 2013 Share #23 Posted August 2, 2013 As for lockups I am still experiencing some when using EVF, especially in high ambient temperatures, but none with the EVF removed. Yes, I had my first (in 5 months) lockup yesterday after having used the EVF for a while in a hot environment. Required battery removal to get the camera to be responsive again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Kenya Posted August 2, 2013 Share #24 Posted August 2, 2013 Had camera lockup today using EVF, was fine in overcast conditions but soon as sun came out and temp went up camera locked up, was fine when EVF removed. Pity was using 90mm and focusing with EVF is a lot easier. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/210018-m-typ-240-lockups/?do=findComment&comment=2388813'>More sharing options...
Karl G Posted August 2, 2013 Share #25 Posted August 2, 2013 I disagree strongly. For having tried a dozen SD cards out of the package, including the fastest "pro" ones (Sandisk Extreme Pro, Lexar 600x, Panasonic Gold "pro") on the M240, my advice is to use SDFormatter systematically or, at least, if startup times (from turning the camera on to the first shutter actuation) are significantly longer than 2 seconds. Just reporting what myself and others have objectively measured in start up times with Sandisk Extreme Pro 64 cards formatted in camera only and preformatted with SD. Results on the 64, no difference. Mean @ 1.8 sec. I measured as accurately as possible and averaged. The sigma value for the distribution of measurements was very low. I did not test "dozens" of Sandisk Pro 64 cards, they are @$123 each. You could be entirely correct about cards that are different than the Sandisk Extreme Pro 64. I did not test any cards other than that and only the one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted August 2, 2013 Share #26 Posted August 2, 2013 You could be entirely correct about cards that are different than the Sandisk Extreme Pro 64. I did not test any cards other than that and only the one. It's too bad you made your "mythology" comment because having tested four different brands of cards, including the one you are using, it definitely does make a difference. I believe there will be many people coming from the M8 and M9 who have been using slow but "stable" cards, such as the Transcend Class 10, and for these people there can be a significant improvement, measured in seconds, in startup and wake times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 2, 2013 Share #27 Posted August 2, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I did not test "dozens" of Sandisk Pro 64 cards, they are @$123 each... My dozen cards are from Sandisk, Panasonic, Lexar, Transcend, Samsung and Mustang if i recall correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl G Posted August 2, 2013 Share #28 Posted August 2, 2013 It's too bad you made your "mythology" comment because having tested four different brands of cards, including the one you are using, it definitely does make a difference. I believe there will be many people coming from the M8 and M9 who have been using slow but "stable" cards, such as the Transcend Class 10, and for these people there can be a significant improvement, measured in seconds, in startup and wake times. Main Entry:mythology Synonyms: belief, conviction, folk tales, legend, lore, mythicism, mythos, myths, stories, tradition It is not my intention to change people's belief, conviction or tradition regarding cards and formatting. If what anyone is doing works for them to their conviction, I would be the first to suggest to continue their path. Antonyms: actuality, history, reality, truth I only am reporting the history that an objective timed measurement of the card tested had the results as stated with and without SD formatting and EVF use with camera lockup occurred despite SD formatting on that card shooting @ 40C that was in actuality not card or card preformatting with SD related. It is my belief that as a card fills with fragmented files the disks will slow the start up and that reformatting in camera just writes headers and folders. A complete overwrite formatting OOC with SD or other formatter followed by in camera formatting should restore speed. Exactly, I suspect, as a hard drive on a computer behaves when being completely reformatted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 2, 2013 Share #29 Posted August 2, 2013 After reading the above lock up comments, I realize my lock ups have occurred at high temps. Many without EVF and many with EVF. I plan to be in Solms on 13 August and will push the issue with whom ever will listen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Helm Posted August 12, 2013 Share #30 Posted August 12, 2013 In my case, the infrequent lockup seems to occur when using magnified EVF focusing perhaps while a just-shot image is saving. On fresh batteries I had lockup when I did as follows: Turn on LV Press front button to turn on focus aid Turn off LV ( i e focus aid not deactivated , no picture was taken). Cure: Turn on LV again, take picture (press shutter release), turn off LV. I have now charged my batteries 3 times, and the problem seems to have vanished. Also: When a twice charged battery indicated 30% left, I had lockup. The above cure didnt help. New 100% battery inserted, and camera was alive again. Seems that the batteries need the recommended recharging a couple of times, before LV works properly. (No issues in RF operation only). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianjones66 Posted August 12, 2013 Share #31 Posted August 12, 2013 Have been following this thread and had not encountered any lock ups of my own until today. Using only the rangefinder, battery at 90% (has been totally drained and recharged twice) I had a lockup whilst taking some family shots at a cafe. Only option was to remove the battery and reinsert. All fine after that. SD card is Sandisk Extreme 64gb. The same card I have used in the M since day one, over 500 shots, not one lockup before today. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 12, 2013 Share #32 Posted August 12, 2013 I was in Solms today and spent a long time (3 hours) at Customer Service. My first comment was about lockups and from my end found it to be mostly associated with use of the EVF on my M's. They wanted to know each and every setting I was using when lockup occurred. One suggestion was when using LV go to Advanced instead of the Classic setting in "Light Metering Mode" which makes for less lockups. They have NO answer on why this occurs and certainly are NOT close to a new firmware change at this time and will not issue one until they can pin point the problem and then correct it specifically. Contrary to the individuals I talked with about lockups today, they do not seem to be aware of the magnitude of the situation. One person said he changed his EVF and all lockups went away. I had a lockup in the show room today using LV, EVF on a 24/1.4 although that one I could clear without battery removal. It was suggested that we all email our specific problems with all settings used when a lockup occurs to the President of the Leica Importer in each of our respective countries. We should all do this so that their eyes are truly opened to the concerns we all have about this issue and how many of us have the issue on a repeated basis. (I speak for myself regrading repeated basis). Sorry for any bad news, but that's it for today on this issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 12, 2013 Share #33 Posted August 12, 2013 I was in Solms today and spent a long time (3 hours) at Customer Service. My first comment was about lockups and from my end found it to be mostly associated with use of the EVF on my M's. They wanted to know each and every setting I was using when lockup occurred. [... snip helpful report ...] Another reinforcement for my suggestion that they have a 'dump' feature that creates a file in root of all menu and current camera settings. Filename should indicate date and time. And if they can't fix the software and usually a battery removal fixes the problem, a hard-reset button which writes another file with memory dump. I'd like to look at the registers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted August 13, 2013 Share #34 Posted August 13, 2013 They have NO answer on why this occurs and certainly are NOT close to a new firmware change at this time and will not issue one until they can pin point the problem and then correct it specifically. Contrary to the individuals I talked with about lockups today, they do not seem to be aware of the magnitude of the situation. I think Leica are well aware of the problem and are working hard on a solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted August 13, 2013 Share #35 Posted August 13, 2013 I was in Solms today and spent a long time (3 hours) at Customer Service. My first comment was about lockups and from my end found it to be mostly associated with use of the EVF on my M's. They wanted to know each and every setting I was using when lockup occurred. One suggestion was when using LV go to Advanced instead of the Classic setting in "Light Metering Mode" which makes for less lockups. They have NO answer on why this occurs and certainly are NOT close to a new firmware change at this time and will not issue one until they can pin point the problem and then correct it specifically. Contrary to the individuals I talked with about lockups today, they do not seem to be aware of the magnitude of the situation. One person said he changed his EVF and all lockups went away. I had a lockup in the show room today using LV, EVF on a 24/1.4 although that one I could clear without battery removal. It was suggested that we all email our specific problems with all settings used when a lockup occurs to the President of the Leica Importer in each of our respective countries. We should all do this so that their eyes are truly opened to the concerns we all have about this issue and how many of us have the issue on a repeated basis. (I speak for myself regrading repeated basis). Sorry for any bad news, but that's it for today on this issue. Many thanks for your efforts. Much appreciated. I am stunned! Don't they have a test lab to systematically find these bugs and fix them? I am now near the top of the list for a silver M. On second thought, I will put a hold on my order until Leica fixes these kind of bugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 13, 2013 Share #36 Posted August 13, 2013 Sounds like the CS people may not reveal what engineers are doing to fix the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 13, 2013 Share #37 Posted August 13, 2013 I was in Solms today and spent a long time (3 hours) at Customer Service. My first comment was about lockups and from my end found it to be mostly associated with use of the EVF on my M's. They wanted to know each and every setting I was using when lockup occurred. One suggestion was when using LV go to Advanced instead of the Classic setting in "Light Metering Mode" which makes for less lockups. They have NO answer on why this occurs and certainly are NOT close to a new firmware change at this time and will not issue one until they can pin point the problem and then correct it specifically. Contrary to the individuals I talked with about lockups today, they do not seem to be aware of the magnitude of the situation. One person said he changed his EVF and all lockups went away. I had a lockup in the show room today using LV, EVF on a 24/1.4 although that one I could clear without battery removal. It was suggested that we all email our specific problems with all settings used when a lockup occurs to the President of the Leica Importer in each of our respective countries. We should all do this so that their eyes are truly opened to the concerns we all have about this issue and how many of us have the issue on a repeated basis. (I speak for myself regrading repeated basis). Sorry for any bad news, but that's it for today on this issue. I would happily follow your suggestion, were it not that I have not had one lockup in 1500 shots, 30% with EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thomas Chen Posted August 13, 2013 Share #39 Posted August 13, 2013 I am now near the top of the list for a silver M. On second thought, I will put a hold on my order until Leica fixes these kind of bugs. Mr. K.H, After I use the Pentax K-5IIs and a 30 years old smc 28/2.8 (made of optic glass) lens to obtain satisfactory results (although a little bit not so sharp as M 28 cron on M8), I've decided to reserve my fund for the next generation Leica M FF solution. Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 13, 2013 Share #40 Posted August 13, 2013 I feel out of it....A real M owner should have lockups, wonky AWB, ergonomic problems, untamable reds, you name it. There must be something wrong with me. Maybe I should send myself to Solms to be checked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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