M Typ 240 lockups

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Many thanks for your efforts. Much appreciated.

I am stunned! Don't they have a test lab to systematically find these bugs and fix them?

 

I am now near the top of the list for a silver M.

On second thought, I will put a hold on my order until Leica fixes these kind of bugs.

 

I dunno man. I use the Olympus EV2 (I feel man enough not to need the LEICA written on it for double the price) and am anything but careful with when / how I press LV, play, EV2 buttons etc. On start up, during card writing - relative to my M9 'kid gloves' behaviour I'm a veritable thug. And I've had no lock ups what-so-ever. It's a very robust platform thus far.

 

I think it's luck of the draw. I think it's poor QC - again.

[jaapv]

I think it is variability in SD cards. See the results on startup times which are clearly card-dependent.

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I think it is variability in SD cards. See the results on startup times which are clearly card-dependent.

 

Could be, though it would be a shame if we haven't moved on from the M9's inability to play well with the other children.

[k-hawinkler]

I feel out of it....A real M owner should have lockups, wonky AWB, ergonomic problems, untamable reds, you name it. There must be something wrong with me. Maybe I should send myself to Solms to be checked.

 

 

Jaap,

 

Lucky you, enjoy your M, as we all know you do!

[lct]

I think it is variability in SD cards. See the results on startup times which are clearly card-dependent.

If they were card-dependant we would get the same startup times with the same cards, which is not the case by far.

[k-hawinkler]

I dunno man. I use the Olympus EV2 (I feel man enough not to need the LEICA written on it for double the price) and am anything but careful with when / how I press LV, play, EV2 buttons etc. On start up, during card writing - relative to my M9 'kid gloves' behaviour I'm a veritable thug. And I've had no lock ups what-so-ever. It's a very robust platform thus far.

 

I think it's luck of the draw. I think it's poor QC - again.

 

 

That's great. Better lucky than smart! Enjoy!

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That's great. Better lucky than smart! Enjoy!

 

Well, I can't use my EC button as it was designed. Sometimes you loose, sometimes the other guy wins.....

[LChanyungco]

Looks like a thread from an IT forum rather than a camera one

[algrove]

I would happily follow your suggestion, were it not that I have not had one lockup in 1500 shots, 30% with EVF.

 

Lucky you. You seem to have more luck than the rest of us. Do you use the Leica EVF?

 

Of the 30% EVF usage how much has been with M lenses and how much with R lenses. Of course with M lenses it is easy to just turn the focus ring for the 1x 5x or 10x focus assist. My recent lockups have come while using the 24/1.4 requiring some sort of VF for better framing.

 

Jaap, are you firing multiple shots in a relatively short period of time in warm weather?

 

R lenses for me require focus assist with most shots by pressing button #3. Strangely if I recall properly most lockups have not occurred with R lens use.

 

k-h-Do not pass up on that silver. Beneath it all the camera is a terrific Leica. They WILL fix everything eventually.

[LouK]

Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere (it must have been, I am sure) but I could not find the thread.

 

I've had my M since March, one of the first to arrive in the UK, and from day one it has suffered random lockups where the camera becomes inoperable. Sometimes this is cured by toggling the on/off switch but more often than not I have to remove the battery. The camera has already been back to Solms once, for the lug recall, and I mentioned the locking when I handed it over to Leica. It came back and soon exhibited the same problems. Incidentally, in case anyone wonders, I have tried loads of SD cards in order to eliminate that as the cause. I suspect I have a sticking shutter.

 

Today I suffered four or five lockups while out doing street photography and I reached the end of my tether. I went straight back to the Leica dealer and the camera is now on its way to Germany. I wrote about it on my blog, Macfilos.

 

I know I am not the only owner to suffer this sort of problem but I do wonder how extensive it is.

My M is back being repaired with yours for the same problem. It is taking a month.

[jfrangol]

Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere (it must have been, I am sure) but I could not find the thread.

 

I've had my M since March, one of the first to arrive in the UK, and from day one it has suffered random lockups where the camera becomes inoperable. Sometimes this is cured by toggling the on/off switch but more often than not I have to remove the battery. The camera has already been back to Solms once, for the lug recall, and I mentioned the locking when I handed it over to Leica. It came back and soon exhibited the same problems. Incidentally, in case anyone wonders, I have tried loads of SD cards in order to eliminate that as the cause. I suspect I have a sticking shutter.

 

Today I suffered four or five lockups while out doing street photography and I reached the end of my tether. I went straight back to the Leica dealer and the camera is now on its way to Germany. I wrote about it on my blog, Macfilos.

 

I know I am not the only owner to suffer this sort of problem but I do wonder how extensive it is.

Hello. My Leica M sent back for the lug problem and now a second time for the same problem as yours. Also the bottom plate of camera was not locking in to the body. The bottom plate was taped to the camera to operate. All these problems occurred while I was on the Nico Economopoulos 21 day "Balkan Expedition" workshop. Missed many opportunities due to the lockups.

[algrove]

If your lock ups have been while using the EVF, most M owners while shooting in heat have experienced lock up. I do not believe Leica has an answer for us. I remember in August at CS Solms, they even refused to admit the camera had lock ups. While at the factory and in the store, mine locked up right in front of a Leica guy. He said his locked up at first and since he changed the EVF it had not occurred again. Lucky him.

 

After 13k images on 2 bodies, I have had so many lock ups that it becomes routine, but for a US$7k camera, this should not occur. By routine I mean-either/or solid red light, turn off/on and/or remove battery only to see last image not there. Once back on the EVF is maybe 1/4 brightness and it takes a few more off/on to get that corrected. I believe, as I told them at CS, it has to do with overheating.

[EvilTed]

I was getting random lockups with mine and found that the little write protect switch on the side of the card was moving out of the unlock position and this was causing random weirdness.

 

Lockups in the camera, inability to format or copy files to the card in my Mac, but could format it in the camera.

SDFormatter told me right away that the card was write-protected and thats when I noticed the switch...

 

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[01af]

I do not believe Leica has an answer for us. I remember in August at Customer Care in Solms, they even refused to admit the camera had lock ups.

I'm hearing Leica Customer Care is receiving many M (Typ 240) for repair due to problems with the electronics. If they weren't aware of a problem two months ago, they certainly are now.

 

That said, in four months and after approx. 3,000 frames, my M hasn't had any lock-ups yet (knock on wood). I'm using it in regular rangefinder mode mostly; live-view mode gets less than 10 % use. I'm using an Olympus VF-2, light metering is always set to "Classic" and "Center-weighted average", no auto white balance (prefer the WB presets), no auto ISO, auto power-off is "5 min", file format always set to "compressed DNG + JPEG Fine", film mode off. And oh, the in-camera Copyright Info is disabled ... no idea if that makes a difference, probably not.

[algrove]

01af

Do not know where you are located and in what climatic conditions you shoot in, but hot weather plus using the EVF with the M is not proving to be a good combination for me. I was using the EVF with R lenses which has been my undoing. They now know the camera runs hot and maybe that translates to a thermal switch being activated,

 

I have been using the EVF a lot and that's when my troubles began. Is what is strange is that for the first few thousand images everything was OK, even in hot and humid sub-tropical climate and then all of a sudden the lockups began and continue under the above conditions.

 

It was unusually hot in Europe this Summer and that did not help the lockup situation either.