pico Posted July 28, 2013 Share #1 Posted July 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) It appears that Leica has no interest in fixing the firmware for our M9, M-E. What arguments could anyone offer to oppose my abandoning Leica? The M9 might operate adequately in other than demanding professional circumstances, so is that their market target? Idle amateurs? SHAME on Leica if that is true.n How else can we interpret their effort, or lack of it? I'm out of the market as of now . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 Hi pico, Take a look here FIRMWARE - I give up on the M9. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted July 28, 2013 Share #2 Posted July 28, 2013 It is all a bit silly. Leica should simply have disabled discreet in C mode as that is a meaningless setting anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 28, 2013 Share #3 Posted July 28, 2013 Mine's working fine ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2013 Share #4 Posted July 28, 2013 Well, yes, mine too, but some users appear to have a problem and Leica has admitted to the so-called discreet bug. A complete non-issue imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 28, 2013 Share #5 Posted July 28, 2013 I never did the final upgrade because, as I understand, it breaks the functionality of tethering? I have a perfectly functioning professional camera otherwise though. Well at least in the way I use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted July 28, 2013 I never did the final upgrade because, as I understand, it breaks the functionality of tethering? Tethering still works with Mac (10.8.4) and Image Capture (6.2). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 28, 2013 Share #7 Posted July 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Cheers, Pico. That's interesting. Although I'm reluctant to upgrade now given the fact everything seems to be working OK. I have no argument at all to oppose you. Do what is right for you. THough I am curious as to what issues with the firmware in particular are you having? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted July 28, 2013 Share #8 Posted July 28, 2013 What arguments could anyone offer to oppose my abandoning Leica? It shows you're able to afford 'luxury goods'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted July 28, 2013 Share #9 Posted July 28, 2013 What arguments could anyone offer to oppose my abandoning Leica? . Only that I like the little lenses and the ease of manual focus. I'm keeping a close eye on Fuji. I heard that, on updating their firmware recently (to 3?) an issue arose with movie mode. A day later another firmware update was available. That's customer service for you. Leica seem to rest on their laurels. If you want to stay at being number one you've to act as though you're number two. Leica's dragging of feet comes over as, at best, ineptitude, and at worse, arrogance. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted July 28, 2013 Share #10 Posted July 28, 2013 ... What arguments could anyone offer to oppose my abandoning Leica? ... . None. I might even be able take some lenses off of your hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted July 28, 2013 None. I might even be able take some lenses off of your hands. I doubt you would want my lenses. 50mm Canon f/.95, 50mm Summitar, 35mm Summilux V2, 75mm Summilux, 15mm Voightlander. Besides I still have several film M models and a 4/3 system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted July 28, 2013 Share #12 Posted July 28, 2013 So, then it is not really abandoning Leica, but just the M9 we are talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted July 28, 2013 Share #13 Posted July 28, 2013 I guess that explains the "I give up on the M9" thread title.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2013 Share #14 Posted July 28, 2013 I doubt you would want my lenses. 50mm Canon f/.95, 50mm Summitar, 35mm Summilux V2, 75mm Summilux, 15mm Voightlander. Besides I still have several film M models and a 4/3 system. So why would Leica or anyone care whether you give up on your M9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #15 Posted July 28, 2013 So why would Leica or anyone care whether you give up on your M9? Why do you care enough to ask? Are rhetorical questions your fancy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted July 28, 2013 Share #16 Posted July 28, 2013 So why would Leica or anyone care whether you give up on your M9? Michael, While Leica may not care if Pico gives up his M9, they should care about why he wants to give it up. I can see Pico's point here. The digital M's have a history of buggy electronic issues, which, in my experience is more prevalent than I experience with my other digital cameras. However, the other manufacturers are very responsive in issuing firmware fixes for the glitches. Leica is not and this, for me, erodes my confidence in: a) Leica's ability to produce cutting edge digital imaging technology/features and Leica's desire to support aging models over time. If we are talking about a $399 digicam... Well who cares? But it is a $7,000 instrument. So, while I'm not at the point where I'm ready to abandon the digital M's, I think Leica should care that loyal customers are growing weary of $7,000+ cameras with buggy firmware and slow updates. KDR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #17 Posted July 28, 2013 I suspect that MJH's response is exactly Leica's response. The two are conjoined. That should explain a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 29, 2013 Share #18 Posted July 29, 2013 To KDR. +1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikonJeff Posted July 29, 2013 Share #19 Posted July 29, 2013 Michael, While Leica may not care if Pico gives up his M9, they should care about why he wants to give it up. I can see Pico's point here. The digital M's have a history of buggy electronic issues, which, in my experience is more prevalent than I experience with my other digital cameras. However, the other manufacturers are very responsive in issuing firmware fixes for the glitches. Leica is not and this, for me, erodes my confidence in: a) Leica's ability to produce cutting edge digital imaging technology/features and Leica's desire to support aging models over time. If we are talking about a $399 digicam... Well who cares? But it is a $7,000 instrument. So, while I'm not at the point where I'm ready to abandon the digital M's, I think Leica should care that loyal customers are growing weary of $7,000+ cameras with buggy firmware and slow updates. KDR When I contacted Leica tech in NJ last November they replied that they were pretty certain the next firmware release would address the fault but when I checked back in June of this year they had no idea "when" a release was scheduled. I have to agree that while you can downgrade to the older firmware version (which I did) it is something that needs to be addressed. I for one like to use the discreet mode and Leica obviously felt compelled to update the FW for other reasons (battery being one). Hopefully they will realize they need to do at least one more FW update to bring some closure to this mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 29, 2013 Share #20 Posted July 29, 2013 So why would Leica or anyone care whether you give up on your M9? It`s called customer feedback. Alfa Romeo is one of the case studies of ignoring it for too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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