james.liam Posted July 18, 2013 Share #21 Posted July 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Congratulations on the new camera! I went through a similar quandary several months ago. I decided to go with a classic and a 0.85 finder. My rationale was that the rarer model, available for just a few hundred $€£ more, would retain a higher residual on re-sell compared to the TTL if I decide to move on from film again. I was at Adorama one afternoon when a pro was trading in his film gear and all he got for an EX+ chrome M6 0.72 was US$650. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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philipus Posted July 18, 2013 Share #22 Posted July 18, 2013 On my TTL, in addition to tripping the shutter almost at the end of travel, the shutter button requires being pressed quite precisely in the middle straight down. Sounds odd, but basically it is much less forgiving than my M4 which trips the shutter even if I press on half or the edge of the shutter. On the TTL, I have found that it helps to press the shutter with the last joint of the index finger (or actually just in front of that joint but before the fingertip). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinross Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share #23 Posted July 18, 2013 Some advice please re leaving the shutter cocked. I have finished shooting for today but the camera shutter is cocked ready for the next shot. Is this bad practice. Should I waste an exposure to release it. Thanks for advice re the extension button on my shutter release. I have removed it. The potential for accidental damage is very real. thanks for that. One thing I do like about the camera is the quiet shutter. Although I love my M9, the shutter noise has always bugged me. I keep it on discreet all the time. This makes it more acceptable to me. I suspect the new M may have a more quite shutter. I will not be buying one!!! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atournas Posted July 18, 2013 Share #24 Posted July 18, 2013 Some advice please re leaving the shutter cocked. I have finished shooting for today but the camera shutter is cocked ready for the next shot. Is this bad practice. Should I waste an exposure to release it.Mike. Don\t worry. Although common sense would suggest avoiding storing the camera with the shutter under tension (cocked), experienced Leica users suggest the opposite--it has to do, I remember, with how the curtains and the springs inside the camera work. A similar piece of advice is this, though: for long storage periods, leave the lens aperture wide open to prevent occasional leak of oil on the blades. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
too old to care Posted July 19, 2013 Share #25 Posted July 19, 2013 I leave mine un-cocked because the meter will not power on if the shutter button is pushed down, say as could happen in a bag. The shutter will not be damaged if you do, but repeated pushing the button would shorten the life of the battery. You can set the camera to off, but it takes longer to rotate the dial from off than it does to cock it. Wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianUK Posted July 19, 2013 Share #26 Posted July 19, 2013 I leave mine un-cocked because the meter will not power on if the shutter button is pushed down, say as could happen in a bag. The shutter will not be damaged if you do, but repeated pushing the button would shorten the life of the battery. You can set the camera to off, but it takes longer to rotate the dial from off than it does to cock it. Wayne Good advice from the above, Mike. The only position on the speed dial to cut the meter power completely is 'Off'. There is residual battery drain on all of the other positions, even if the shutter isn't cocked. I was told by an ex-Leica repairer of some experience a few years ago that the M6's shutter springs are under tension by 50 per cent uncocked and 75 per cent cocked, and that it makes no difference whether you leave the shutter cocked or not: the shutter is designed to cope, and no damage will ensue either way. Perhaps others can back up this - I'd be interested if the above is correct. Or not. I've always left my Ms uncocked for extended periods - simply because there isn't a shutter lock on the M6, and I don't want a frame fired off in the bag and wasted. When out and about I leave the camera cocked, ready to go. With the shutter tripping at the end of the button's travel, I very rarely have an accidental trip when carrying the camera. And yes, the shutter sound is sublime, isn't it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted July 19, 2013 Share #27 Posted July 19, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The only position on the speed dial to cut the meter power completely is 'Off'. There is residual battery drain on all of the other positions, even if the shutter isn't cocked. I don't dispute that there could be drain due to the design of the camera on all positions except Off, but the manual actually says the meter is off on B as well (p 20). On the M6, however, there's no Off position so the B position is used because it cuts power to the meter. There are quite a few threads about whether to leave the shutter cocked or uncocked (for instance here and here; here's a search). From technical and wear-and-tear points of view, as I understand it, it won't make a difference (btw see e.g. here about the 50% vs 75% tension, which may be the internet's main source of this info). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianUK Posted July 19, 2013 Share #28 Posted July 19, 2013 Thanks, philipus. Chapter and verse, which I hadn't seen before. I liked one of the comments in one of the post links you gave (I paraphrase): 'Leicas shouldn't be stored, just use the damn thing'. My sentiment exactly. Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted July 19, 2013 Share #29 Posted July 19, 2013 'Leicas shouldn't be stored, just use the damn thing'. My sentiment exactly. Brilliant. I wholeheartedly agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Maestas Posted December 7, 2013 Share #30 Posted December 7, 2013 I planned to get an M3 and M2 after my M6 so after researching, I chose the Classic. Aside from the shutter speed dials coinciding, I like that the M6 is dimensionally identical to the M3/M2. I can use goggled lenses without issue. Now that I've gotten used to the dials I don't notice them and they are no more difficult to operate than the TTL dial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
findranger Posted December 25, 2013 Share #31 Posted December 25, 2013 M4-P. You learn A LOT if you expose with sunny16 and handheld meters. More correct exposures and faster and more rewarding. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted December 26, 2013 Share #32 Posted December 26, 2013 M4-P. You learn A LOT if you expose with sunny16 and handheld meters. More correct exposures and faster and more rewarding. Cheers. M6 minus Meter = perfect Leica You've made multiple posts expressing this point of view. And while I might also feel the same way, some people might prefer to purchase a later model M6 or MP (I personally use both the M4 and M6.) All one has to do is take out the battery and the M6 and MP will be completely operable in the same way as the M4 and without a meter. That of course assumes the user wants a meterless camera and feels the need to learn about light and exposure. Or has the discipline to do so even if the desire is there. One does have the option to pop the battery back in at anytime and have an onboard meter for whatever reasons they might have (e.g. not wanting to pull out a meter, or not resorting to 'guessing' when using narrow latitude reversal film in tricky light, etc., etc..) I'd also venture to say that most photographers have a meter with them (incident/reflective/flash) even if their camera has a meter. I'd also guess that the majority of photographers know about light and film sensitivity and yet still prefer having an onboard meter in the M6/MP as a reference. Nonetheless, just take out the battery...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoloresBickerstaff Posted December 26, 2013 Share #33 Posted December 26, 2013 Congrats for the new addition. Good to hear that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
findranger Posted December 26, 2013 Share #34 Posted December 26, 2013 One does have the option to pop the battery back in at anytime and have an onboard meter for whatever reasons they might have (e.g. not wanting to pull out a meter, or not resorting to 'guessing' when using narrow latitude reversal film in tricky light, etc., etc..) That's right. But we all know that one choses the lazy way if it's there. And not having the option to meter in-camera, imho, helps here. It's just a suggestion from experience. And especially in "tricky light" situations I don't want to rely on a camera-meter but rather experience. I also find the exposure LEDs pretty distracting and using the viewfinder to set exposure feels just not right on a Leica (for me). Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted December 26, 2013 Share #35 Posted December 26, 2013 Arrogance to suggest this or any other way is lazy, use whatever tools are available to get the results you want. Suit yourself but don't extrapolate your 'peculiar' way of doing things to others as an absolute. I have used an m3 with and without meter for 40 + years and an m6ttl too, and experience helps, and knowledge of your materials. I use a meter when I want or need too, it suits me, but I am not insisting its the way for everybody Gerry Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted December 26, 2013 Share #36 Posted December 26, 2013 god choice..the size difference, although not big, did bother me and I went with the classic too. good light! andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted December 26, 2013 Share #37 Posted December 26, 2013 They are both good. I went for M6 because it was smaller and lighter and I preferred the look of the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
findranger Posted December 26, 2013 Share #38 Posted December 26, 2013 Arrogance to suggest this or any other way is lazy, use whatever tools are available to get the results you want. What a L A A A Z Y Y Y Y suggestion. Helps nobody. Do you have opinions? M6 or M6TTL is fine of course. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted December 27, 2013 Share #39 Posted December 27, 2013 What is definitely lazy is failing to read the opening post and replying with an opinion espousing a camera model that was never asked for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
findranger Posted December 27, 2013 Share #40 Posted December 27, 2013 What is definitely lazy is failing to read the opening post and replying with an opinion espousing a camera model that was never asked for. Scan the threads in this forum. When people ask for recommendation on certain Leica lenses the chances are about 99% that someone suggests Voigtländer or Zeiss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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