k-hawinkler Posted June 30, 2013 Share #81 Posted June 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) You seem to be an expert in all areas... maybe you could suggest your services? Rick, No, that's seem to be more your approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Hi k-hawinkler, Take a look here diglloyd: "Leica M Typ240: Unreliable". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
CaptZoom Posted June 30, 2013 Share #82 Posted June 30, 2013 ....Back before zoom lenses ruled the world, many of us would simulate various common lens' field of view by holding our elbows at right angles and making a viewfinder frame with our fingers (50, 75, 90mm) or arms and hands (35mm and wider). It takes all of 5 minutes to learn, and the benefit lasts a lifetime. Could you say more? Edit I think you're talking about using the index fingers and the thumbs of both hands to create a rectangle/viewfinder simulation. How do you decide what fov? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted June 30, 2013 Share #83 Posted June 30, 2013 Wow. I am glad you posted this. I agree 100% with this. Exactly - maybe exaggerated in both directions (good and bad), but I get the general point. I would suggest that you and I have the same, but opposite "problem." We both want Leica and those that read here to understand that we can't sweep these important points away in a wave of irrational fanboyism or irrational anti-Leica sentiment. Your post would make a great general topic for a thread. Couldn't agree more. Lucky for the forum you and I exist, huh? We should wear capes, or maybe come up with a chest badge, judge dread style helmets? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted June 30, 2013 Share #84 Posted June 30, 2013 Lloyd Chambers reviews the equipment as tools and cares only about its capability to bring photographic results. For me, the negative bits are important, because they give me better insight to the total cost of ownership. One does not have to agree with all LC's conclusions, but he usually gives pretty good information about the testing method and provides good examples for the reader to draw his/her own. That said, I read on this forum that people had to ship their brand new cameras back to Solms, format SD cards with special tool or that batteries sometimes discharge when they should not. I am not sure how is LC's comment different or surprising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 30, 2013 Share #85 Posted June 30, 2013 Lloyd Chambers reviews the equipment as tools and cares only about its capability to bring photographic results. For me, the negative bits are important, because they give me better insight to the total cost of ownership. One does not have to agree with all LC's conclusions, but he usually gives pretty good information about the testing method and provides good examples for the reader to draw his/her own. That said, I read on this forum that people had to ship their brand new cameras back to Solms, format SD cards with special tool or that batteries sometimes discharge when they should not. I am not sure how is LC's comment different or surprising. Hmm, despite these kind of problems some folks in the other thread seem to assess their M as reliable. I wonder who has a more accurate view of the situation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewittehd Posted June 30, 2013 Share #86 Posted June 30, 2013 What I think about his view of the M240 is not as relevant as what I think about the camera. His view is simply one data point among many on the Internet. These include other reviews and files from the camera. His happens to be a negative data point, but I don't think that one review, whether positive or negative, is a basis for making a decision to buy. He is entitled to his opinion of course, and I am entitled to mine, which is the camera is a very good tool indeed. What "You" think about the camera is but a single dat apoint........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 30, 2013 Share #87 Posted June 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmm, despite these kind of problems some folks in the other thread seem to assess their M as reliable. I wonder who has a more accurate view of the situation? The other folks must be cheating. I don't see another reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 30, 2013 Share #88 Posted June 30, 2013 Couldn't agree more. Lucky for the forum you and I exist, huh? We should wear capes, or maybe come up with a chest badge, judge dread style helmets? You know, I heard a wonderful interview by Bob Edwards on NPR Radio two days ago where he interviewed English actor Terence Stamp who took a 9 year acting hiatus, returning to films as the villainous General Zod in the first superman movies. (google it, it is good). Anyway, I would like to be Zod... "Kneel before Zod." Would that be ok or do you think that is a little over the top? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted June 30, 2013 Share #89 Posted June 30, 2013 I like to think that one day Leica will be as good in all areas as they are at designing and producing both the MP and the new 50 cron APO. Ahem... if you read Lloyd's review of the 50 APO, you will understand that it is not perfect either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 30, 2013 Share #90 Posted June 30, 2013 What "You" think about the camera is but a single dat apoint........... Exactly. But no effort on my part to persuade anyone else about anything and no need for somebody else's validation of my opinion either. I would expect that my opinion does not count very much anyhow. Nor should it. I find it almost comical (or sad) that some people on the Internet appear to need to have someone else tell them what is good for them. Having bought my own cameras with my own hard earned money for 50+ years, I feel comfortable making up my own mind and the most important "data point" is my own conclusion based on what I think is relevant to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 30, 2013 Share #91 Posted June 30, 2013 You know, I heard a wonderful interview by Bob Edwards on NPR Radio two days ago where he interviewed English actor Terence Stamp who took a 9 year acting hiatus, returning to films as the villainous General Zod in the first superman movies. (google it, it is good). Anyway, I would like to be Zod... "Kneel before Zod." Would that be ok or do you think that is a little over the top? Be careful about what you wish for. Being Zod is an awesome responsibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted June 30, 2013 Share #92 Posted June 30, 2013 I prefer balanced reviews personally so i think i will look elsewhere definitely. Thanks for sharing anyway. His blog does not contain reviews. It is a personal blog where he expresses his very own opinions, like most personal blogs on the Internet. Lloyd often uses his blog to vent his frustrations, and still provide useful free info... that must be filtered, of course. Lloyd's in-depth reviews are instead quite balanced. He praises what needs to be praised and exposes what is clearly broken and needs to be fixed. There is a gray area of design "issues", things that work exactly as they were designed but the reviewer thinks the design is poor. Most of these issues are very subjective, and each one of us may agree or not. I am a subscriber because I agree more often than not... and even when I disagree, at the end of the day, I learn new things especially from people who think differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted June 30, 2013 Share #93 Posted June 30, 2013 Anyway, I would like to be Zod... "Kneel before Zod." Would that be ok or do you think that is a little over the top? No, not over the top Rick, and I'm fine with it in principle. Let me give you the night to sleep on it though. You see, being Zod-like doesn't offer any level of anonymity. What happens if you embarrassingly fumble a power one day? You still have to walk the streets the next. What about retirement, what if you want to be left alone on the beach in later life? I dunno, I think you've not thought it through. Please, as one half of our dynamic duo. Consider a mask? For me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 30, 2013 Share #94 Posted June 30, 2013 dwbell - Ok, I'll sleep on it. In the meantime here is that wonderful interview. It was actually Scott Simon that did the interview. Death Isn't The End In 'Unfinished Song' : NPR and hit the play button. Zod:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted June 30, 2013 Share #95 Posted June 30, 2013 My 240 is working fine and I find it highly usable camera as it is. FW updates may make it better which seems to be the natural progression for electronic products. SO far it has been mostly just smiles and files. I used mine in the Ancient Bristlecone forest and had no FP problems with R lenses or M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoarFM Posted July 1, 2013 Share #96 Posted July 1, 2013 Last I checked, Nikon's and Canon's top of the line FF camera was within a couple hundred dollars of a Leica M. I constantly hear about how the Leica M is this ultra-premium priced product when it is simply priced at the same level as Canon and Nikon cameras. I hear Canon service is excellent and of course Nikon is famous for its indifference to customers after the purchase. And Leica doesn't keep everybody happy. Leica could do better but they are not much different than Canon or Nikon in the service department. Whether the M system suits you is an entirely different question. And yet there is something about Leica's attitude that is unpleasant, unprofessional, approximate, broken and cheap that makes me feel I am being ripped off and the M will probably be my last Leica camera. I am not even paying for bleeding edge research as Leica lags several years behind. My money was perfectly working, therefore my camera MUST be perfectly working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saad Posted July 1, 2013 Share #97 Posted July 1, 2013 I have had my M 240 for over 2 months and taken over 12,000 pictures with it, and it has been absolutely reliable. I am coming to the end of my 26 days vacation in Bali and Langkawi and find the camera a joy to use. I come from Nikon D3s, D3x and D800E. If you have a set of Leica lenses then, you have no choice but to buy the M240. All tools have short-comings and we have to use our talent and experience to work with those short-comings. Taking all the goods and bads into consideration, I will put 8 for the goods and 2 for the bads, and that is fantastic. To focus on what the camera does not have and not be willing to work around the little trivial annoyances, is taking the whole pleasure out of photography. Enjoy a Margarita with the Noctilux in Bali Saad Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/207802-diglloyd-leica-m-typ240-unreliable/?do=findComment&comment=2362804'>More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 1, 2013 Share #98 Posted July 1, 2013 I constantly hear about how the Leica M is this ultra-premium priced product when it is simply priced at the same level as Canon and Nikon cameras. Yes, the M has the same price of top-notch pro cameras with state of the art technologies, able to shoot 12 frames per second using subject tracking autofocus, built like a tank, can be used under a waterfall, have zero power up delay, have huge buffers that "never" fill up, can shoot 60fps H.264 video, have much better firmware with customizable menus, are blazing fast to operate and extremely reliable. I think you just made my point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 1, 2013 Share #99 Posted July 1, 2013 Saad - Well said. I am a little envious that you are on vacation taking a nice picture like that and torturing us. But, my vacation is coming up soon and I can't wait to take my M on vacation to Europe. I'll send a photo back to the forum like that one of yours with the Margarita - it should be a tradition around here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 1, 2013 Share #100 Posted July 1, 2013 Yes, the M has the same price of top-notch pro cameras with state of the art technologies, able to shoot 12 frames per second using subject tracking autofocus, built like a tank, can be used under a waterfall, have zero power up delay, have huge buffers that "never" fill up, can shoot 60fps H.264 video, have much better firmware with customizable menus, are blazing fast to operate and extremely reliable. I think you just made my point I think you lost this one. Put the shovel down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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