250swb Posted June 17, 2013 Share #21 Posted June 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Another idea, are you using a card reader or USB cable to upload images? The USB method can cause conflicts on the card, especially if images are being reviewed on a laptop or PCM before disconnecting. So while you probably already do this and know this, it is a good idea to always use a card reader for uploading your pictures, and on re-inserting the card in the camera the first thing to do to ensure it is completely clean is re-format it before doing anything else. In other words don't plug your card/camera into anything, review the images in Lightroom etc, then carry on shooting because other files may be being written to the card as if it were a normal storage device. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted June 17, 2013 Share #22 Posted June 17, 2013 Steve- Since the MF hand grip is not yet available the only way to transfer data is via an SD card reader-probably a USB device. No in camera transfers are possible yet. The MF grip, once available, will allow transfer of data with SD card in camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 17, 2013 Share #23 Posted June 17, 2013 Another idea, are you using a card reader or USB cable to upload images? The USB method can cause conflicts on the card, especially if images are being reviewed on a laptop or PCM before disconnecting. So while you probably already do this and know this, it is a good idea to always use a card reader for uploading your pictures, and on re-inserting the card in the camera the first thing to do to ensure it is completely clean is re-format it before doing anything else. In other words don't plug your card/camera into anything, review the images in Lightroom etc, then carry on shooting because other files may be being written to the card as if it were a normal storage device. Steve I always lock the card before putting it into the card reader. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share #24 Posted June 17, 2013 Again, helpful advice. I find it hard to believe it is the card, since as mentioned, this has now happened on two different cards. I am certain this is not due to any button being pushed. However, I will a) reformat the card after each time I upload images, turn off any sort of automatic review, c) call Leica in NJ to see if they have any thoughts on this. I don't really want to reinstall the firmware, but will if I have to. Finally, the only thing that is different between the period before I sent this to Solms and after is that I am now using different/other batteries. Lou (algrove) has gotten me to thinking I should monitor which battery is causing this effect, in case one is sending a weird charge or something... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted June 17, 2013 Share #25 Posted June 17, 2013 One easy step I would do before the above is to reload the SW if possible. Many times when a SW update takes place a few code lines don't write/ transfer correctly and odd things happen. It's quick and easy and if it fixes the problem, you are way ahead. If not, nothing except some short time loss. I always download my images, and then when reloading the card, I format it in camera before shooting more. A clean slate, so to speak, to avoid ghost images in the card file directory. A more thorough job can be done with disk utilities that overwrite the card from the computer before placing it back in the cam and reformatting, but I've never done that and haven't had problems with just a camera reformat before each use. I turn off auto review in all my cameras to save battery and have done that for years. I do not do much review of pictures on camera as a general rule, but the times I have done so on the M and on the ME the function has worked as it is supposed to. Nicely said and so true. I might add I do not review images until the processor has written completely to the card and then I turn it on /off manually for a few seconds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 17, 2013 Share #26 Posted June 17, 2013 Again, helpful advice. I find it hard to believe it is the card, since as mentioned, this has now happened on two different cards. I am certain this is not due to any button being pushed. However, I will a) reformat the card after each time I upload images, turn off any sort of automatic review, c) call Leica in NJ to see if they have any thoughts on this. I don't really want to reinstall the firmware, but will if I have to. Finally, the only thing that is different between the period before I sent this to Solms and after is that I am now using different/other batteries. Lou (algrove) has gotten me to thinking I should monitor which battery is causing this effect, in case one is sending a weird charge or something... I agree. If I were in your situation the plan of action would be to find out a work around or else exchange the camera. As your M doesn't appear to be the only one affected, let's call it a feature until Leica gets around to rectify the problem. Intermittent issues are hard to debug. Unfortunately, for the M9 and derivative products they never quite managed to address similar issues completely. So, let's hope for the best in this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted June 17, 2013 Share #27 Posted June 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) JB- Do I smell that K-H would like you to change your camera into his hands? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted December 25, 2013 Author Share #28 Posted December 25, 2013 Damn, it is happening again. I long ago ceased having any auto review of images taken with my M, because I thought that might be the problem. But yesterday, a couple of times, I needed to chimp quickly to see how the picture turned out. And I found that as soon as I tried reviewing the picture I'd just taken, ALL of the images on the card were being scrolled rapidly. I had to turn the camera off, then back on, then hit play in order to get the last picture without it turning into a fast slide show on the LCD. No, this isn't a card issue, as I've used multiple cards. No, it's not a formatting issue, as improperly format my cards. It is some kind of weird playback issue. Has anyone had this experience since I began reporting it last May? It's not such a big deal that I would send it to Solms or Leica NJ to get it fixed. But it is weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted December 26, 2013 Share #29 Posted December 26, 2013 (I suspect it was partly because I'd taken a picture of his girlfriend, in a bikini...) I wanted to show him the image, partly to prove the bikini-clad girlfriend was incidental to the photo.... I'm certain I have you problem figured out and I'm confident I can tell you how to solve it. The only thing I need to complete my analysis is for you to post the shot of the girl in the bikini. If you can do that right away I'd be happy at that point to make up some BS "solution" to your problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 16, 2014 Share #30 Posted March 16, 2014 My M240 started doing the 'mad scrolling' thing yesterday. Removing and re-inserting the battery only temporarily solved the issue. So, John, any solutions before I start experimenting? Or is this just a DC/Baltimore issue? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted March 18, 2014 Share #31 Posted March 18, 2014 The original description of the problem reads as if the "left" or "right" side of the direction pad was being pressed. Does the problem resemble what you are seeing when applying that control while in viewing mode? If the direction pad was not actually being pressed (intentionally or not), then I would suspect the contacts of the direction pad. My first M did this- and I strongly suspect there can be an issue just as you describe- a fault in the direction pad. Discussing my issue with Leica rep they mentioned encountering it before... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #32 Posted June 7, 2015 Very strange update: so, it has been two years since I reported this phenomenon -- occasionally, after taking a series of photos, when I looked at my screen, either various of the pictures on the SD card would be flying by, or -- a variant -- the screen would be black but the image numbers would be flying by. I never had it dealt with on my M, never sent it to NJ, I just learned to live with it. It never happened on my M9 Monochrom, only on my M. And then I got a Monochrom Typ 246, and damn if it has not happened a few times. And also on a new M-P Typ 240. So it's not an issue with a single camera or card. I have now had this phenomenon happen on three cameras and multiple cards. All the cards are SanDisk Extreme Pros, either 16 or 32gbs. All formatted in the cameras. Now that there are so many more Ms, M-Ps, and now Mono246s, is there anyone out there having these kinds of issues? I can live with it, though it is annoying -- I turn off auto review, so I don't notice it. But still, what is this? And does anyone have a fix? (I pray no one says, It must be you...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted June 7, 2015 Share #33 Posted June 7, 2015 A few weeks ago, I reported on a phenomenon where, after taking a few pictures in rapid succession, I was unable to take more, and when I looked at the LCD to see what was going on, a number of pictures from the SD card were all rapidly going by like they were on a carousel. It is quite simple. Don't do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 7, 2015 Share #34 Posted June 7, 2015 Hope I don't jinx myself….mine hasn't had a recurrence since the single time last year. Maybe a coincidence, but I bought a new battery shortly after. I think I might have also cleaned the contacts and used a new card. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #35 Posted June 7, 2015 Hmm, Jeff.... New cameras, new cards... But, not all new batteries. Okay, I am going to take a battery out of the MP and put it in the penalty box... If this doesn't happen with a different battery, we will know the culprit. Fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 7, 2015 Share #36 Posted June 7, 2015 Still the suspicion of a mechanical problem with an arrow button lingers. Do you use a half-case or such? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted June 8, 2015 Share #37 Posted June 8, 2015 Many times when a SW update takes place a few code lines don't write/ transfer correctly and odd things happen. This is a myth. All half-decent firmware updaters will read back and verify data written to flash-memory and tell you the update has failed. Even if Leica didn't do that, and let you run a with a firmware not correctly updated, this issue would always happen (not once in a while). This is probably a hardware failure of some camera buttons incorrectly reporting keypresses, and/or a firmware programming bug in handling user input events while the camera is still busy with other background tasks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share #38 Posted June 8, 2015 Jaap, CheshireCat, all: I don't use a half case, so there's nothing mechanical pressing on any button. It's unlikely that it's a firmware issue, since two of the cameras on which I have had this phenomenon were brand new. The single variable, and what I am now pinning my hopes on, is an errant battery. I have five of them now, with the two new ones from the Monochrom and M-P additions. When I bought the Monochrom, I put an existing charged battery in it, and began shooting away.... It is very possible this is the same battery I used in the M-P, as I charged a number of batteries one day, likely recharged the one I had been using in the Monochrom, and put it back in the bag. I've now taken the one in the M-P out of the rotation. I'm going to see if I have the same problem with the two cameras using different batteries. Fingers crossed. Thanks for the suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 9, 2015 Share #39 Posted June 9, 2015 my first M240 did exactly this- the mad scrolling. It also had a fault with the self timer actuating when it wasn't turned on. The camera was replaced by Leica. At the time I recall my dealer saying that they had heard of the scrolling issue before- and that it was caused by a mecahanical issue with a faulty scroll wheel. Can't say if that was true- but that's what i was told. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piblondin Posted June 9, 2015 Share #40 Posted June 9, 2015 my first M240 did exactly this- the mad scrolling. It also had a fault with the self timer actuating when it wasn't turned on. The camera was replaced by Leica. At the time I recall my dealer saying that they had heard of the scrolling issue before- and that it was caused by a mecahanical issue with a faulty scroll wheel. Can't say if that was true- but that's what i was told. I had the crazy scrolling issue occur once on my new M last month. I had to turn off the camera to make it stop. I was using a SanDisk card as well.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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