giordano Posted June 14, 2013 Share #101 Posted June 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can relate to that. Some years ago I wanted to get a Mini Cooper S for a work commute car, fully loaded, Johnny Cooper addition etc. etc., totaling almost $50K once everything added up, I had my American Express card for a cash purchase. Dealer added a $7K markup due to scarcity of the car. I walked out, and still do not have a Mini, and will never buy a BMW brand(s) car. By the same logic, if he'd offered you a $7k discount because he was overstocked you'd have insisted on giving him the full price;-) Sent from another device.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marknorton Posted June 14, 2013 Share #102 Posted June 14, 2013 Wouldn't work. Most dealers here refuse to take deposits and most customers would refuse to pay them. My dealer uses deposits to identify the real customers. I'm more than happy to go along which is why I have an M Typ 240 and an APO 50 while others are still waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianjones1 Posted June 14, 2013 Share #103 Posted June 14, 2013 So Leica Rumours are reporting that Leica have sent letters to dealers explains the delays are due to the "elaborate manual process" and demand "that far exceeded our expectations". So much better to hear something even though it doesn't mean cameras will be shipping in greater quantities soon. Should improve when the new factory opens. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 14, 2013 Share #104 Posted June 14, 2013 So Leica Rumours are reporting that Leica have sent letters to dealers explains the delays are due to the "elaborate manual process" and demand "that far exceeded our expectations". So much better to hear something even though it doesn't mean cameras will be shipping in greater quantities soon. Should improve when the new factory opens. Sourced from this article. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 14, 2013 Share #105 Posted June 14, 2013 So Leica Rumours are reporting that Leica have sent letters to dealers explains the delays are due to the "elaborate manual process" and demand "that far exceeded our expectations". So much better to hear something even though it doesn't mean cameras will be shipping in greater quantities soon. Should improve when the new factory opens. Brian "delays are due to the "elaborate manual process"" well let's take him by his word. "demand "that far exceeded our expectations"" explains long wait times, but doesn't explain the apparently small numbers of shipments - if that is what's actually going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HV25 Posted June 15, 2013 Share #106 Posted June 15, 2013 Unlike you dealer, I actually own one. So, I guess I have inside information that your dealer doesn't. Here it is... the camera has no real problems to speak of. It is just a fantastic camera. I have no idea what "problems" he is talking about. Congratulations for being one of the lucky ones to get your hands on a M240. And good to know that they don't have any 'real' problems. I suppose you are right - one of the best established Leica dealers in Germany must be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 15, 2013 Share #107 Posted June 15, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Congratulations for being one of the lucky ones to get your hands on a M240. And good to know that they don't have any 'real' problems. I suppose you are right - one of the best established Leica dealers in Germany must be wrong. Unreal problems - maybe? Somewhere on this forum I saw a pretty long list of issues that ought to be addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 15, 2013 Share #108 Posted June 15, 2013 If there were any "real problems" whatever that may mean, I am 100% convinced that they would have surfaced on this forum weeks ago, so yes, your "best established" dealer in Germany has been feeding you a load of bull to justify his inability to supply the camera. Colour profiling and minor firmware issues are not real problems, Karl-Heinz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 15, 2013 Share #109 Posted June 15, 2013 A long list of issues? What's this story again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted June 15, 2013 Share #110 Posted June 15, 2013 The true long list are those waiting for their M deliveries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted June 15, 2013 Share #111 Posted June 15, 2013 By the same logic, if he'd offered you a $7k discount because he was overstocked you'd have insisted on giving him the full price;-) Sent from another device.. What he was doing was price gouging. A bit different. A lot of other manufacturers will not let their dealers do that. For example I bet every M being sold could be sold at the very least an extra $1-2K per camera due to limited supply. Leica would cancel the dealer contract due to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted June 15, 2013 Share #112 Posted June 15, 2013 For example I bet every M being sold could be sold at the very least an extra $1-2K per camera due to limited supply. Leica would cancel the dealer contract due to that. Dale Photo got a way with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 15, 2013 Share #113 Posted June 15, 2013 Dale Photo got a way with it. I don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 15, 2013 Share #114 Posted June 15, 2013 The only somewhat big (and embarrassing) problem I've read about is the strap lug issue, which of course Leica is promptly addressing. Delivery delays are another matter. Otherwise, 'problems' are often defined by the user, so that one person's issue, is a non-issue to someone else. In another thread, for instance, Tim Ashley listed 16 issues with the M240 that bug him (17 counting the strap lug issue that he references at the end of his article). But even then, none were big enough to keep him from concluding that the camera was very well suited for his needs. Then there are folks like me who tend not to be early adopters in any case, content to let any teething issues sort themselves out. This story has been told before by Leica, so it was quite predictable that there would be some issues requiring attention and tweaking. So far, besides the strap lugs, all seem fairly minor with fixes to come. I'm encouraged by most reports, and eventually will see for myself. No rush. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 15, 2013 Share #115 Posted June 15, 2013 ... In another thread, for instance, Tim Ashley listed 16 issues with the M240 that bug him (17 counting the strap lug issue that he references at the end of his article)... I must have missed this thread. I'll try to find it out when i have some time but with respect to Tim Ashley and other reviewers, i tend to believe what i see and aside from the easy-to-fix WB issue, i haven't got any problem with the M240 so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 15, 2013 Share #116 Posted June 15, 2013 I must have missed this thread. Here. I merely used this thread as an example. There are others, each with its own, usually shorter, list. Like this recent one. But, as I said, one person's issue is a non-issue for someone else. So when you say that you believe what you see, that's what I mean, and that's all that matters. Are you keeping your M8.2? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leohong Posted June 15, 2013 Share #117 Posted June 15, 2013 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 15, 2013 Share #118 Posted June 15, 2013 Thanks Jeff i won't have the time to study Tim's review for now but i don't share any of the four "gripes" of Nick de Marco personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 15, 2013 Share #119 Posted June 15, 2013 lct, I'd be surprised if I don't love the new M as well...it ticks all the buttons I was looking for, with a couple of pleasant surprises like the apparently better RF. Just curious...are you keeping your M8.2? If so, as back-up, or does it do anything better than your new M? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted June 15, 2013 Share #120 Posted June 15, 2013 . For example I bet every M being sold could be sold at the very least an extra $1-2K per camera due to limited supply. Leica would cancel the dealer contract due to that. Such move would conflict with antitrust legislations. Regards Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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