Rheingold Posted June 7, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had occasion,recently, to go through my archive of old prints from a Kodak DCS-660 - the digital Nikon F5 as you likely know) and noticed a distinct similarity (skin tones in particular) with images I'm printing from my M8. The DCS-660 (a top drawer camera in its day) like the M8 had also a x1.3 multiplication factor and created a 10MB file. The M8 emerged roughly the same time that Kodak closed their worldwide professional outlets and service. This begs the question; does my M8 have the same chip as my old, long since abandoned DCS-660? My apologies if this apparent anomaly has been previously aired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted June 7, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 7, 2013 Sorry, the DCS 660 had a 6.1 Mp tin oxide sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rivercityrocker Posted June 7, 2013 Share #3 Posted June 7, 2013 I had a couple of DCS 660's as well and they did suffer from a terrible color cast. It is quite similar to the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheingold Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted June 7, 2013 Sorry, the DCS 660 had a 6.1 Mp tin oxide sensor. No need to feel sorry. I discussed the size of the file the camera created, not the sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 7, 2013 Share #5 Posted June 7, 2013 I had a couple of DCS 660's as well and they did suffer from a terrible color cast. It is quite similar to the M8. With external UV/IR filter and proper profile, I find the color on the M8 quite nice. The M9 sensor is essentially the same as that from the M8, only bigger and with more IR filtration. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 7, 2013 Share #6 Posted June 7, 2013 No need to feel sorry. I discussed the size of the file the camera created, not the sensor. Yes, but that has no significance, as the M8 file is compressed from about 20 Mb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rivercityrocker Posted June 8, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) With external UV/IR filter and proper profile, I find the color on the M8 quite nice. The M9 sensor is essentially the same as that from the M8, only bigger and with more IR filtration. Jeff I never said I had a problem with the M8 color. I just said they were similar. And I hadn't thought about it before, but the 660 probably could have benefited from a stronger IR filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 8, 2013 Share #8 Posted June 8, 2013 I never said I had a problem with the M8 color. No, but you said it had "a terrible color cast," and I disagreed, at least once early issues were addressed, but that's been true of every digital M, including the M240. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 8, 2013 Share #9 Posted June 8, 2013 I had occasion,recently, to go through my archive of old prints from a Kodak DCS-660 - the digital Nikon F5 as you likely know) and noticed a distinct similarity (skin tones in particular) with images I'm printing from my M8.... Are you using IR-cut filters on your M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rivercityrocker Posted June 8, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 8, 2013 No, but you said it had "a terrible color cast," and I disagreed, at least once early issues were addressed, but that's been true of every digital M, including the M240. Jeff No, I said the DCS660 had a terrible color cast. I said the M8 was similar. I didn't say the "the M8 has the exact same terrible color cast as the DCS660". Obviously, the M8 sensor has benefitted from technological advances since the DCS660, but I can see the similarities in the color anomalies. Don't get all bent out of shape over something so irrelevant. It's just an observation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 8, 2013 Share #11 Posted June 8, 2013 Which colour anomalies do you see in M8 pics if i may ask? Being my favorite camera for color works, i begin to wonder is i'm not becoming colour blind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rivercityrocker Posted June 8, 2013 Share #12 Posted June 8, 2013 Which colour anomalies do you see in M8 pics if i may ask? Being my favorite camera for color works, i begin to wonder is i'm not becoming colour blind. Just because the M8 is your "favorite camera for color works" doesn't mean it has accurate color straight from the camera. The Kodak DCS series cameras were always known to have a pronounced magenta shift predominantly in the blue channel, but all over as well. It made for odd skin tones. I see a similarity in color to the DCS cameras. So I can clear things up AGAIN. I never said it bothered me with the M8. Probably because I don't use the M8 as a camera to capture accurate colors. The M8 does what it does and even if the colors aren't accurate it doesn't bother me. The reason why I thought the color cast was terrible on the DCS cameras is because I needed accurate colors for what I was shooting and being that I paid about $12,000 for the camera I expected it to perform better, hence, the color was terrible I'd love to post some side by side comparisons especially since none of you except the OP seem to have ever used a Kodak DCS660, but all of my old files were stored on tape-drives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 8, 2013 Share #13 Posted June 8, 2013 Same question as above: have you been using your M8 with IR-cut filters? If so, there is no magenta shift at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 9, 2013 Share #14 Posted June 9, 2013 So I can clear things up AGAIN. No need to shout and "get all bent out of shape over something so irrelevant." :rolleyes: Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rivercityrocker Posted June 9, 2013 Share #15 Posted June 9, 2013 Same question as above: have you been using your M8 with IR-cut filters? If so, there is no magenta shift at all. I was simply ruminating on the similar natures of the two sensors. Whether or not an IR-cut filter is used with my M8 is really irrelevant. There's really no point in continuing this discussion because you keep pushing it down some rabbit-hole about IR filters and fixing color casts when the discussion at hand was simple, is the old DCS6XX sensor the same or similar to the M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 9, 2013 Share #16 Posted June 9, 2013 You forget the "spooky" in the OP's question. There is nothing spooky here and there is no magenta shift out of the M8 if you use an IR-cut filter, which is never irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 9, 2013 Share #17 Posted June 9, 2013 Well, his question is whether the M8 had the same sensor as the DCS660. To which the answer is "no". Different pixel pitch, different technology, different microlenses, you name it. What they do have in common is lack of an AA filter and inadequate IR filtering which probably prompted the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 9, 2013 Share #18 Posted June 9, 2013 Yes i have no experience with the Kodak but i guess it had no "magenta shift" either with IR-cut filters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucisPictor Posted August 3, 2013 Share #19 Posted August 3, 2013 We shouldn't set MB = MPix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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