wizard Posted May 24, 2013 Share #21 Posted May 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... Would you say that the Elmarit 2.8 (I) is similarly "older" in personality, like the four-element Elmar? ... I have never owned the first version Elmarit 2.8/90. I did see pictures taken with it though, and it is a good lens, may be not quite as contrasty as the 3-element Elmar and, therefore, somewhat "older" in personality. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M9reno Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted May 24, 2013 Well, I've gone and done something completely insane... I've bought both the Elmar 3-element and the Elmarit, both in screwmount version. Elmar for sharpness and its quasi-modern personality, and Elmarit mainly for the extra stop, though I imagine there will be many other factors, like handling etc., that might feel like a great improvement over my current 4-element Elmar. In short, I figured there was no better way to find out the answer to my questions than to try the lenses out and see how we get on. I took the Elmar without the fungus down to the equivalent of about 800 Euros, and although still shockingly expensive, it comes in its original box and bubble, so I figure (as long as I don't bang it too much) I have a good chance of getting back at least some of my money from some collector some day. I will leave the Summicron (regular and Moby Dick versions) alone for now. Thanks to all for your advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted May 24, 2013 Share #23 Posted May 24, 2013 Once you have had time to thoroughly test the lenses, keep us updated on which one you like better and for what reason. I for one am surely interested to know. Have fun with your new acquisitions! Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted May 24, 2013 Share #24 Posted May 24, 2013 I've bought both the Elmar 3-element and the Elmarit, both in screwmount version. Elmar for sharpness and its quasi-modern personality, and Elmarit mainly for the extra stop, though I imagine there will be many other factors, like handling etc., Thanks to all for your advice. Welcome to the club ! You will be not disapointed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 25, 2013 Share #25 Posted May 25, 2013 Well, I've gone and done something completely insane... I've bought both the Elmar 3-element and the Elmarit, NICE !!! To mimic JC, a warm welcome to the Club !! Now , there is a logical next step within the logic of "two at the same time - one for sharpness - one for classic"... and is the "two extremes" way... : A) Elmarit M "the last" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thambar, "with center-spot filter". Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thambar, "with center-spot filter". ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2330361'>More sharing options...
M9reno Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share #26 Posted May 25, 2013 Beautiful shots, Luigi! Nicely demonstrating the huge variety of personalities that can be found in a single focal length produced by a single maker. Simply amazing! By the way, one lens I do not remember having seen a sample image from is the old Summicron 90 SOOZI/SEOOF. If anyone could post one, I should be grateful. I look forward to posting some shots with my new lenses once they arrive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted May 25, 2013 Share #27 Posted May 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Trying to mimic Luigi : 90 Elmar 3 element vs 90 Summicron Apo both at f:4 dist 1.00m. ISO 1250 S : 1/30 handheld. On a flat surface like the painting it is hard to see a difference may be with a little + for the Elmar ! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2330521'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted May 25, 2013 Share #28 Posted May 25, 2013 By the way, one lens I do not remember having seen a sample image from is the old Summicron 90 SOOZI/SEOOF. If anyone could post one, I should be grateful. May be tomorrow.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted May 26, 2013 Share #29 Posted May 26, 2013 that is all I can do today : Summicron 2/90 on M8 no UV/IR filter only UV one f4 / 1/30 ISO 160 handheld. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2330868'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 26, 2013 Share #30 Posted May 26, 2013 Well... I admit it was LOT of time that I didn't take out my SEOOF.... indeed, I even think to have never mounted on it a BM adapter... so I decided to have a break on my Sunday's gardening work and give it a try on M8: 320 ASA, jpg and no PP at all. It resulted to be a no bad lens at all, even if I tested it only in a very safe light condition : the real issue is to focus correctly at f2... a quick focus scale test proved it is still very well calibrated, but the examples at f2 I post are the best that I achieved with 3 trials with very little movements between (luckily, its focus movement is very smooth... no bad for a lens from 1959) Firstly two full frames at 2,5 meters about.... some tools I use today... first f2, then 5,6 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2331040'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 26, 2013 Share #31 Posted May 26, 2013 Then 100% crops, which reveal how the contrast at f2 is undoubtly in the low side, but sharpness is still good : as above, first f2, then 5,6: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2331047'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 26, 2013 Share #32 Posted May 26, 2013 .... and a final taking of some brothers in focal & finishing... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2331048'>More sharing options...
M9reno Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share #33 Posted May 30, 2013 I've now got the 3-element Elmar 1913xxx (1962) and have done a little shoot-out against my two other versions of the 90mm f/4, the older 4-element Elmar 1497xxx (1957), and the current Macro-Elmar-M. The results as far as I can judge are not surprising, confirming the MTF graphs. It is, however, impressive to see how the 3-element Elmar lives up to its reputation. After a CLA (which my 4-element had just over a year ago) it might be even better! All shots were taken today using my M9 at ISO 160. All lenses with corresponding hoods, no UV filters. The comparison is between each lens fully open at f/4, then stopped down to their optimum apertures (4-element at f/11, 3-element at f/8, Macro-Elmar at f/5.6). Finally, center crops from each lens at optimum aperture. So, to begin at f/4, where for me the differences are hard to spot... 4-element at f/4 3-element at f/4 Macro-Elmar at f/4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2334347'>More sharing options...
M9reno Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share #34 Posted May 30, 2013 Now, the same sequence at optimum aperture for each lens. 4-element at f/11 3-element at f/8 Macro-Elmar at f5.6 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2334354'>More sharing options...
M9reno Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share #35 Posted May 30, 2013 Now 100% centre crops of the shots at optimum aperture reveal the differences in contrast and detail. Crop 4-element at f/11 Crop 3-element at f/8 Crop Macro-Elmar at f.5.6 The contrast and detail around the spiderweb (which was not visible to my naked eye, by the way) are very different. Finally, it MUST be said in favor of the 4-element Elmar (at least this post-war, coated version) - not a bad performer! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2334363'>More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted May 30, 2013 Share #36 Posted May 30, 2013 To my eye the colour rendition is the biggest variable I presume this is down to the coatings, mainly? Thanks for these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share #37 Posted May 30, 2013 Chris, it might be the coatings, but I think the difference in colour is likely down to the fast-moving cloud cover over southern England this morning, so the lighting changed while I did the test. Once the Elmarit arrives next week, I'll do a comparison of the four lenses indoors, under more controlled conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted May 30, 2013 Share #38 Posted May 30, 2013 Hello Everybody, There might also be differences because of the differences in Depth of Field & Depth of Focus because of the use of different apertures. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted May 31, 2013 Thanks, Michael. We can never get beyond the fact that, in truth, we are comparing apples and oranges, even if they are all fruit! But for what it's worth, here are the respective crops of the firts photos, with all lenses at f/4. 4-element at f/4 3-element at f/4 Macro-Elmar-M at f/4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205156-size-sharpness-in-vintage-90s/?do=findComment&comment=2335113'>More sharing options...
carlos.paula Posted May 31, 2013 Share #40 Posted May 31, 2013 Friends, sometimes a crazy ideia flows up in the mind - I have a stop down ring 42mm (Pentacon-Pentax thread) to 39mm (Leica SM). This ring can be attached to another, an adapter ring 42mm to Nikon bayonet, which I can fit in my Nikon D90. So, the idea is to use some of my few Leica lenses (50mm Summicrom, 135 Hektor and 200mm Telyt) in my Nikon. I really mount these lenses on camera but, of course, the focal distances does not match. The 50mm and 135mm are impossible to use because the distance of the rear lens to film is much more short than Nikon lenses, and the lens need to enter inside the mirror box! But the Hektor head and the Telyt, is possible; they stay in focus a little far the Nikon bayonet. So, it´s a simple test to evaluate how the quality of these old Leitz lenses behave in a modern digital camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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