douglasf13 Posted June 3, 2013 Share #81 Posted June 3, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Douglas - Where did you sell your M9 and lenses privately or to a dealer? I'm trying to line up a dealer for mine. Thanks. Hi. I sold them on ebay in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ivan Muller Posted June 5, 2013 Share #82 Posted June 5, 2013 Warning: Rant ahead. Shoot me now. The RX1 does not compare well at all against the M240, M9, or a current DSLR. But, remember, it is called the Cybershot RX1. It is a point and shoot. It is the best PAS. And, when you don't need fast focus, system lenses, and conditions favor a PAS - it can often edge past all 35mm cameras, including the M and D800, and produce just amazing photos. Rick, so what you are saying here is that one camera will be able to edge past all others if that one camera happens to fit your shooting style...whether it be Leica , Sony , Nikon ,Canon , Fuji, IPone...MF, AF, interchangeable lens or fixed......... So yes I absolutely agree with you, If a Leica M is your thing then it will produce the best images for YOU, and if you are a PAS type of shooter and the RX1 is your thing, it will produce the best images..... Ahhh, at last no more comparisons necessary between brands, MF, AF, metal, plastic because we all have different needs, shooting styles and budgets and all cameras can and will produce the absolute best images......no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted June 5, 2013 Share #83 Posted June 5, 2013 doesn't even matter. so many great cameras take good photos.....all this minutia about photo quality has only just diluted the actual art of taking a photo. skip the reviews. look at/take/capture/appreciate more photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1JB Posted June 5, 2013 Share #84 Posted June 5, 2013 Hi. I sold them on ebay in the US. Thanks Doug. Sold mine through a dealer and have ordered the RX1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasf13 Posted June 5, 2013 Share #85 Posted June 5, 2013 Rick, so what you are saying here is that one camera will be able to edge past all others if that one camera happens to fit your shooting style...whether it be Leica , Sony , Nikon ,Canon , Fuji, IPone...MF, AF, interchangeable lens or fixed......... So yes I absolutely agree with you, If a Leica M is your thing then it will produce the best images for YOU, and if you are a PAS type of shooter and the RX1 is your thing, it will produce the best images..... Ahhh, at last no more comparisons necessary between brands, MF, AF, metal, plastic because we all have different needs, shooting styles and budgets and all cameras can and will produce the absolute best images......no? Agreed, although I wince every time I see or hear the RX1 referred to as a point and shoot camera. Hasselblads, Leica Ms, Leicaflexes, DSLRs, Olympus fixed-lens rangefinders, RX1, etc. are all laying around my house, and I don't shoot any of them all that differently, outside of sometimes using AF with the cameras that have that capability, and sometimes using autoISO with the digital cameras. The main difference is simply the viewing method. Whether it be a rangefinder, "dumb" OVF, prism finder, EVF, LCD, waistlevel finder, large format ground glass, etc, it's just a different method of viewing the scene. Heck, I use the "dumb" OVF on the RX1 the majority of the time, which I'd say is pretty traditional. There seems to be an undercurrent of smugness by some Leica users (present company excluded) to downplay the RX1 as some kind of point and shoot camera, but it simply isn't the case. It's just small, which, in the world of Barnack, I thought was a good thing. The RX1 has an excellent build, excellent IQ, excellent packability, and 3 different viewing/viewfinder options, so I think it's an excellent camera. It's not as if moving a little tab and lining up two images in a viewfinder somehow makes one a more capable photographer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted June 5, 2013 Share #86 Posted June 5, 2013 It's not as if moving a little tab and lining up two images in a viewfinder somehow makes one a more capable photographer. cheesh my china, you are going to be fried for this statement! LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasf13 Posted June 5, 2013 Share #87 Posted June 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's not as if moving a little tab and lining up two images in a viewfinder somehow makes one a more capable photographer. cheesh my china, you are going to be fried for this statement! LOL Oh, don't get me wrong, I enjoy using a rangefinder! I'm just saying that there are also other valid methods of working, too. In fact, I wish I could pony up for a CFV-39 digital back, because I'm not shooting much film these days, and I'd love to digitize my Hasselblads, since it is another method of working that I enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 5, 2013 Share #88 Posted June 5, 2013 Ivan - I suppose I'm also saying that the RX1 can be the best camera for "YOU" if, it fits your style. But, I'm also saying that it can be the best camera (make the best file) period if, compared to any camera, D800 included, if conditions favor the little RX1, regardless of shooting style. In other words, the RX1 can certainly produce an image that by some measures is better than the D800 with any 35mm lens that you can put on the D800. There are a limited number of lenses that can take advantage of the Nikon body at 35mm. Even the Zeiss Nikon-mount 35mm offering may not beat the Sony/Zeiss lens on the RX1. That leads us back to the beginning of this post about what is best for your style and needs. Doug - About your post on smugness calling the RX1 a PAS. I know that for me the smugness is from the Sony side of things... not Leica smugness. I find it just amazing that a camera Sony classifies in their Cyber Shot grouping of PAS cameras is one of the top cameras on the market today. I kind get a giggle out of calling it a PAS knowing that I can get a better technical image out of the Sony Cyber Shot RX1 (PAS) than my M , under certain conditions. That is just silly perverse! p.s. Ivan - I like your dog avatar. What is his story? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 5, 2013 Share #89 Posted June 5, 2013 like the RX1 lens, as an integral part of a disposable camera. All things are disposable, including lenses The quality of the images of the RX1 are likely to be enjoyed by someone in 20 years time, despite the no doubt billion pixels available by then The fact that the RX1 is less then a summicron is significant. You can buy one as well as your M setup and forget one type of lens change Every so often a classic comes along. The 5D was a classic too, and people are still shooting them and getting great results Here is a 5D picture at 1600 for fun: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205020-yet-another-m240-v-rx1-review/?do=findComment&comment=2340048'>More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted June 6, 2013 Share #90 Posted June 6, 2013 The RX1 is a fabulous camera and I miss mine. It may be designated as a P&S but most on these forums would be frothing at the mouth if it said "M mini" on the front instead if Sony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted June 6, 2013 Share #91 Posted June 6, 2013 Oh, don't get me wrong, I enjoy using a rangefinder! I'm just saying that there are also other valid methods of working, too. In fact, I wish I could pony up for a CFV-39 digital back, because I'm not shooting much film these days, and I'd love to digitize my Hasselblads, since it is another method of working that I enjoy. Of course! I wish I could use a rangefinder because then I could justify getting one of those M's. In my case though, try as hard as I could I just couldn't get to grips with the rangefinder and small frame lines of my M2 and 35 plus 90, that I had for 18 months way back in the days of film. Personally looks wise I think a silver M with silver lens is about the most beautiful camera around...but I also do this for a living and there I need to have a camera that's water and dust proof, zoom lenses for those dusty industrial sites, macros for studio work and shifts for architecture and interiors, and a bunch of portable ttl flashes that will integrate with all my cameras....and then I have to be able to justify the price of the whole bunch and make it pay for itself over a certain period. Unfortunately the M just doesn't tick all the above boxes, for me. But I am sure there are guys that do make them work perfectly! My financial situation just doesn't allow me to have 'nice to have for the occasional tryout' cameras and toys. Live view is almost essential for me these days and I cannot image being without it...for my personal work I have enjoyed the X1 tremendously over the past two and a half years and it redefined my personal work in a sense...but having a 44inch printer I feel pixels are lagging a bit and my new toy a eos m seems to be able to print very large at base iso...the fact that its a touch screen with no viewfinder is just something I will have to learn to overcome just like I did with the slow AF of the X1...but it was very inexpensive so I am giving it a go..so for me, personally I feel I could probably use any camera and make it work for me, so long as it has AF, that's where I draw the line. Mind you I also have a Mamiya ZD 2006 vintage model that I use almost exclusively with a MF shift lens, and within its narrow shooting parameters delivers superb image quality and is actually still my favorite camera.... But to your point, whatever one decides or wants to use is valid...the problem often here is that for some members there is only one valid way of working and if you don't agree you simply just don't get it.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted June 6, 2013 Share #92 Posted June 6, 2013 Oh, don't get me wrong, I enjoy using a rangefinder! I'm just saying that there are also other valid methods of working, too. In fact, I wish I could pony up for a CFV-39 digital back, because I'm not shooting much film these days, and I'd love to digitize my Hasselblads, since it is another method of working that I enjoy. Doug -Like you I have a pile of cameras lying around, which I've accumulated over 40 years, from Hasselblads, Rolleiflexes, Sony α850 for my R lenses, Leica Standards to M9, MM & more recently an RX1. Last year I sold my Noctilux 0.95 and put the funds straight towards a CFV50 and digitized my Hasseblads. I can't describe the amount of pleasure I've had out of resurrecting my Hasselblads and shooting landscapes with them. Just as much fun as I have using the MM or RX1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted June 6, 2013 Share #93 Posted June 6, 2013 p.s. Ivan - I like your dog avatar. What is his story? Hi Rick, I am sort of a dog person and this is a pic of my boxer bitch called Milla ( name chosen by my children) when she was still a pup...and just before she ran away and went missing for four days! Talk about stress! Now we have added a Boston Terrier so at some stage I will have to update my avatar.... I work from home and I have discovered that the most pleasant experience possible is to go and play with the dogs on my 'coffee brakes' I laugh so much that it has become a great stress reliever and having a good laugh a few times a day with an animal, whose sole purpose in life is to please us humans, must be good for ones soul..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted June 6, 2013 Share #94 Posted June 6, 2013 Here are a few images made with a variety of cameras formats and lenses...can you tell them apart, and if you can does it matter and who cares??? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205020-yet-another-m240-v-rx1-review/?do=findComment&comment=2340482'>More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted June 6, 2013 Share #95 Posted June 6, 2013 This thread is getting interesting (which seems to make a pleasant change in recent times) For me the image quality is key (I do mean quality in it's broadest snese), however I do think the user experience and ownership proposition plays a part and I personally want something small enough to carry everywhere in a small shoulder bag and my M9 works perfectly for me I don't want numerous camera's and don't covet the M, or the Sony (for different reasons) but I do covet the MM, what stops me pursuing the MM is the value proposition given I have an M9-P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted June 6, 2013 Share #96 Posted June 6, 2013 I don't want numerous camera's and don't covet the M, or the Sony (for different reasons) but I do covet the MM, what stops me pursuing the MM is the value proposition given I have an M9-P Ahhh, don't covet and don't compare = Happiness Yes of course handling( or should I say fondling:D) a well build and sexy camera is part of the experience...but as you say for committed and dedicated photographers quality comes first...my favorite camera in the days of film was a Zone VI wood and brass folding view camera..I also had a Sinar but preferred the 'handling and looks' of the wood view camera, and also the fact that folded it was a lot smaller and lighter than the Sinar...was it the Sinars technological equivalent?...no of course not, I just liked working with it...I still have it with a whole bevy of lenses and about 50 darkslides and I plan to start shooting again as soon as I can get my act together.... We all love different cameras for different reasons and there's is nothing nicer (and informative) than discussing pros and cons of our 'male jewelery'...its when statement like ' 'X' is best and better than 'so and so' because I say so', that the discussions become really boring.... Although from what I have read I could covet the MM and that new nifty 50..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 12, 2013 Share #97 Posted June 12, 2013 p.s. Ivan - I like your dog avatar. What is his story? Hi Rick, I am sort of a dog person and this is a pic of my boxer bitch called Milla ( name chosen by my children) when she was still a pup...and just before she ran away and went missing for four days! Talk about stress! Now we have added a Boston Terrier so at some stage I will have to update my avatar.... I work from home and I have discovered that the most pleasant experience possible is to go and play with the dogs on my 'coffee brakes' I laugh so much that it has become a great stress reliever and having a good laugh a few times a day with an animal, whose sole purpose in life is to please us humans, must be good for ones soul..... Ivan, thanks for the brief explanation of your dog avatar. Mine is a boxer lab mix and I feel the same way as you about dogs. Never understood all the fuss about cat pictures... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muizen Posted June 13, 2013 Share #98 Posted June 13, 2013 anyone that claims they bought the RX1 over the M purely because it was a better camera is full of sh*t. They bought the RX1 because it was cheaper, period. The RX1 although a fine fine camera is still a point a shoot. It does not compete with the M system at all. The RX1 vs X2 is the comparison that should be made. These are competing cameras.The RX1 should be considered a complement to an M system, not a competitor. As others have pointed out, it makes a great second camera for an M owner. With all respect but I can not agree with your assessment of the RX1 against the M. I have been a M9 user from the beginning of the M9 and did not purchase the RX1 because it was cheaper, but because the RX1 delivers superior image quality which I never ever got close to with my M9. The sensor of the RX1 gets even better test results than the M sensor (DXO)! This was my main reason for buying the RX1! What counts for me is top image quality and that is what I get with the RX1. In addition the handling of higher ISO values is also a pleasure and in this the RX1 beats the M9 completely. How the Leica M deals with higher ISO values I don't know but as good as the RX1? I wonder! The LCD of my M9 was a shame: of poor quality, just good enough to look for the menu. RX1 has a very good LCD indeed. The EVF attached to the RX1 fits the camera almost as an integral part and is of excellent quality. Then finally the portability of the RX1 is a major factor: smaller and substantially lighter than the M with a lens, so I take it almost everywhere. The AF of the RX1 is more than good enough, so far I never had a focusing problem. The CZ lens is absolutely a marvel! In my opinion the RX1 is a serious competitor and a fine alternative to the Leica M! If you now consider me full of sh*t this is fine with me because I feel that with the RX1 I have the best camera ever! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted June 13, 2013 Share #99 Posted June 13, 2013 With all respect but I can not agree with your assessment of the RX1 against the M. I have been a M9 user from the beginning of the M9 and did not purchase the RX1 because it was cheaper' date=' but because the RX1 delivers superior image quality which I never ever got close to with my M9. The sensor of the RX1 gets even better test results than the M sensor (DXO)! This was my main reason for buying the RX1! What counts for me is top image quality and that is what I get with the RX1. In addition the handling of higher ISO values is also a pleasure and in this the RX1 beats the M9 completely. How the Leica M deals with higher ISO values I don't know but as good as the RX1? I wonder! The LCD of my M9 was a shame: of poor quality, just good enough to look for the menu. RX1 has a very good LCD indeed. The EVF attached to the RX1 fits the camera almost as an integral part and is of excellent quality. Then finally the portability of the RX1 is a major factor: smaller and substantially lighter than the M with a lens, so I take it almost everywhere. The AF of the RX1 is more than good enough, so far I never had a focusing problem. The CZ lens is absolutely a marvel! In my opinion the RX1 is a serious competitor and a fine alternative to the Leica M! If you now consider me full of sh*t this is fine with me because I feel that with the RX1 I have the best camera ever![/quote'] The IQ if the RX1 can't be beat currently at 35mm by any other camera, and if that is what you are after then it certainly is a competitor! You are Correct there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted June 13, 2013 Share #100 Posted June 13, 2013 I'm very interested in getting the RX-1 with EVF or the upcoming RX-2 (supposedly being announced late August if internet rumors are to be believed). I find I need something pocketable more so than the M9/M240 but with excellent image quality. This Sony site states that it could fit in the front pocket of your jeans but I find that hard to swallow. RX1 Camera | Review | Sony Store (click under the Size tab) Can someone who has the RX-1 and either the M9 or M240 post a picture of the two cameras side by side so I can get an idea of the size difference. There are no stores that carry the RX1 near me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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