bill vann Posted March 31, 2007 Share #21 Posted March 31, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) the choice was much easier for me as i'm looking at another spinal surgery and am mostly retired from pro photo and can't carry the SLR heavy kit. but i've got my Kodal SLR/c and last couple lenses up for sale ( which I felt made images as good as the DMR if you put proper glass on it) not as shot since beginning of Dec my scary holdout was still life and recently did a run of orchids quite well. now I've gone all M8 save an IR modified CAnon 350D Good luck Guy, your work certainly helped me down the M8 path kindly bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 31, 2007 Posted March 31, 2007 Hi bill vann, Take a look here Final gear decision on the M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
hankg Posted March 31, 2007 Share #22 Posted March 31, 2007 If you do look at MF, take a look at the Luminous Landscape forum, and the discussions going on there about the Mamiya ZD. Sounds like a great studio camera, and the back can be used with both RZ and 645 glass, which right now, is CHEAP. JC Yes you could buy an entire Contax 645 system used for the price of one new lens for the HY6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #23 Posted March 31, 2007 Cheap MF is a great thing. Thanks guys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #24 Posted March 31, 2007 Yes you could buy an entire Contax 645 system used for the price of one new lens for the HY6. I actually thought about just a film MF for the moment than grab the back later but going back to film after 12 years or so would be tough. I don't even know what the make anymore. LOL. MF is a tough decision but Marc and some MF shooters i know will help me make a good decision and offer some good advice. So it's my turn to ask the tough questions. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted March 31, 2007 Share #25 Posted March 31, 2007 .....yes I was married on April fools day..... Why does this not surprise me? 8^) I made some pretty hard core decisions on my R and M system...by weeks end I should have,Wate,28,35,50,75,90,135 apo and the 90 macro with adapter and add a 12mm CV to the pile along with the Viso and my 2 bodies and pick up a 24mm and 50 nocti... I've also just finished 4 months of testing, trying, buying, selling, trading - and making my own hard-core decisions. Oddly, I pretty much ended up sticking with the "Mandler" lenses** I had from my film days - 21, 28 Elmarits c. 1982; 90 Tele-Elmarit-M c. 1978; plus the c/v 15 and my Wetzlar 135. The only net change/concession to crop factor was to swap my 35 'cron pre-ASPH for a 50 'cron (Mandler optics, Solms construction) - I just don't favor the "normal" field of view, and the 50 (mine is actually a 52.2mm) makes such a terrific little easy-to-focus short portrait tele. The modern APO/ASPH lenses are incredible performers (esp. the 28 cron/50 Lux ASPH), but ultimately I just preferred the more mellow renditions of the c.1980 glass. They were what sucked me in to Leica M in the first place - and "ya dance with the one what brung ya." So I have 15, 21, 28, 50, 90, 135 - can't beat that setup with a stick. Especially at an average price of about $650 per lens. I might consider the new small 28 in the future sometime, and also 28 f/1.4 or 15 f/3.4 Leica primes if they ever appear - but for now I'll keep the old glass humming along in the digital era. That, IMHO, is the key purpose of the M8. **Mandler lenses - lenses designed at Leica's Canadian lens lab during the reign of Walter Mandler, roughly 1952-1982. I don't use a M8 like it was orginally intended by leica. it is not just a reportage camera to me ... I have shot everything i could throw at it... The only real limitations on Leica M's (and RFs in general) are in the mind of the photographer. I've even shot wildlife - from my film days: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=230657 Will I miss a long telephoto ? maybe ... As David Alan Harvey (Nat. Geo, Magnum) said at a workshop, talking about giving up his Nikons and just using a Leica M with a 35mm: "I still see 180mm pictures - I just don't take them anymore". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted March 31, 2007 Share #26 Posted March 31, 2007 Guy, if you buy every lens in the Leica arsenal half of them will just stay in the bag. I had them all at one time and reduced it to just one lens - a 50. It covered 95% of all situations. The other 5% I shot around the problem. Those were situations which called for an SLR. Now that the M8 is a reality the only one I'm sorry I sold was the 28 Elmarit. I have CV 15 on order and will get the new 28 when it becomes available. Yes, it is nice to have them all , but I found I had to go out with a particular lens already on the camera (the 90 and 135 come to mind) in order to shoot it. I can count on one hand the times I changed a lens during a shoot. Just my dos centavos. Good light, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted March 31, 2007 Share #27 Posted March 31, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Great decision, though I would find it difficult to dump my Nikon. I'm a writer and I use photographs extensively when I'm researching locations. I don't need high resolution art, just good varied photos to make it easier to recall the settings. My Leica is in Solms, getting fixed, I hope, and I wanted something a little stronger than my R-D1, so on a research trip the last couple of days I took along the D2x with two lenses -- the Nikon 12-24 and the 18-200 VR. The camera is big and heavy (though not quite so big as a Canon) and the 18-200 is a kit lens that I bought out of sheer curiosity, but jeez -- what a couple of lenses! You'd never mistake the images for Leicas, but with a FOV of 27-300 on the longer zoom, it was really interesting to use again. I'd sorta forgotten, messing around with rangefinders. It was raining most of the time when I was working, and instead of zooming with my feet, as they say, I sat in my car and zoomed with the lens. 8-) I really like the quality of the Leica, when I actually have the camera to shoot, but I'm not giving up the Nikon, either. It's a pretty damn good camera, with ergonomics that rival a Leica's, and the glass, for what it is, is really impressive. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted March 31, 2007 Share #28 Posted March 31, 2007 Guy, if you buy every lens in the Leica arsenal half of them will just stay in the bag. I had them all at one time and reduced it to just one lens - a 50. It covered 95% of all situations. The other 5% I shot around the problem. Those were situations which called for an SLR. Now that the M8 is a reality the only one I'm sorry I sold was the 28 Elmarit. I have CV 15 on order and will get the new 28 when it becomes available. Yes, it is nice to have them all , but I found I had to go out with a particular lens already on the camera (the 90 and 135 come to mind) in order to shoot it. I can count on one hand the times I changed a lens during a shoot.Just my dos centavos. Good light, John Generally I have had a 3 lens kit )+ one or 2 specialized lenses) for most of my cameras. One wide, one long and one normal + a macro and shift lens. I might be content with a 50 but when a client wants a shot of the interior of an elevator he just installed or the entire factory floor you had better have a lens that can handle it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigrmurray Posted March 31, 2007 Share #29 Posted March 31, 2007 I decided to sell the DMR and the last remaining lens the 180 F2. Guy: Have you sold the 180 f2 yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #30 Posted March 31, 2007 Yes I am trading it with a dealer for my 135 and 90 with adapter and anything else I can get . have not done the math yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigrmurray Posted March 31, 2007 Share #31 Posted March 31, 2007 I don't know, dude -- it'd make one helluva paperweight! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #32 Posted March 31, 2007 Guy, if you buy every lens in the Leica arsenal half of them will just stay in the bag. I had them all at one time and reduced it to just one lens - a 50. It covered 95% of all situations. The other 5% I shot around the problem. Those were situations which called for an SLR. Now that the M8 is a reality the only one I'm sorry I sold was the 28 Elmarit. I have CV 15 on order and will get the new 28 when it becomes available. Yes, it is nice to have them all , but I found I had to go out with a particular lens already on the camera (the 90 and 135 come to mind) in order to shoot it. I can count on one hand the times I changed a lens during a shoot.Just my dos centavos. Good light, John Problem is on any given job , sometimes you have no idea what your walking into and being like a boy scout you just need everything you can get your hands on. There is some overlap and some extra for sure here but I buy gear also to pick and chose what I may need for a job, so all of it may not go too. Certainly for street shooting maybe 3 lenses and that is it but onmany jobs I change lenses often.. At least that is what i tell my wife. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 31, 2007 Share #33 Posted March 31, 2007 "...yes I was married on April fools day." My wife and I wanted to get married on April Fool's Day also, but we were married by a judge and the year we were married April 1st was on a Sunday and the guy wouldn't work that day. So, by default, we got married on Friday, May 30th (he also wouldn't work on Saturday). BTW--Leica should give you a big discount on your gear for the nice testimonial you have given them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted March 31, 2007 Share #34 Posted March 31, 2007 Guy, above comments refer to my M's. I've been known to take three lenses with a DSLR and use them all I did just that for a friends 50th wedding anniversary celebration. When I'm out in the "field" so to speak, I like to travel light and move fast -perfect for one of the Leicas. I continue to enjoy your posts. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #35 Posted March 31, 2007 "...yes I was married on April fools day." My wife and I wanted to get married on April Fool's Day also, but we were married by a judge and the year we were married April 1st was on a Sunday and the guy wouldn't work that day. So, by default, we got married on Friday, May 30th (he also wouldn't work on Saturday). BTW--Leica should give you a big discount on your gear for the nice testimonial you have given them. I wish , I get a lot of love but no gear , filters or anything of that natural. Support yes. That's all I want anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted March 31, 2007 Share #36 Posted March 31, 2007 Come on Guy, the real truth is like me and probably most of us you must promise to sell "something" if you are adding new gear. LOL! We all do it, its that negotating thing even when you are able to depreciate yours as a business item. Happy Anniversary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #37 Posted March 31, 2007 Come on Guy, the real truth is like me and probably most of us you must promise to sell "something" if you are adding new gear. LOL! We all do it, its that negotating thing even when you are able to depreciate yours as a business item. Happy Anniversary Well yes that is true too like any other married guy. LOL I can only slip so much through the back door in the office anything over 500 and i am nailed to the wall. ROTFLMAO I think everyone on this forum knows that buying a leica lens is more than just pocket change , this stuff cost REAL money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted March 31, 2007 Share #38 Posted March 31, 2007 Best of luck to you Guy. If it works for you, then it's the ticket. A quick note: "I'd wait on Canon's announcement of the 1Ds MKIII before I committed to a $30,000+ MF system. A 22MP (if the rumors are true) Canon DSLR with a Leica 100 Apo-Macro and the Canon 135/2 L, the Canon TSE lenses and either Leica or Canon L 180+ telephotos would be a match for any MF kit." If it were a 39 meg sensor it wouldn't be a match for MF digital that exists right now, let alone the next generation MF digital ... unless Canon comes out with a MF camera with a bigger film gate : -) It's the sensor size, not just the meg count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #39 Posted March 31, 2007 Agreed Marc and thanks you know your phone will be ringing on the MF side. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted March 31, 2007 Share #40 Posted March 31, 2007 So I already made plans for additionl gear and by weeks end I should have,Wate,28,35,50,75,90,135 apo and the 90 macro with adapter and add a 12mm CV to the pile along with the Viso and my 2 bodies and pick up a 24mm and 50 nocti with my 30 perci ent off. Yes i am going overboard on lenses .................. Now I understand why all this Leica gear is in backorder - it is you!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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