marknorton Posted April 26, 2013 Share #181 Posted April 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) It would be interesting to know what they mean by checking. I can't see how they can verify the correct screws/locking compound have been used without dismantling the camera to the point where they can replace them or at least see them. We have no idea how much work is involved, whether removal of the covering is required, whether it's 5 minutes or 3 hours. Certainly, in the old camera, getting at the lug next to the viewfinder involves almost total dismantling of the camera, the one next to the shutter release is better but not much. It reminds me of the cost and effort required to replace the wiring loom in a car where major dismantling is required - the earlier in a production process a part goes in, the more difficult it is to replace. In particular, the question I would like asked of Leica is whether carrying out this work requires the time consuming processes of sensor and rangefinder alignment to be repeated, not good given the volume of work and the time pressures to get the job done. The number of cameras might well overwhelm the Solms service department which is a separate entity to the main plant and it may be this work will be done by them instead of new camera production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 Hi marknorton, Take a look here Leica M strap lugs unscrewing (merged). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted April 26, 2013 Share #182 Posted April 26, 2013 Mark, I wonder if they could x-ray the body and see if there is a bead of surplus thread locker sitting next to the threaded holes in the lugs. In that case, it would confirm that thread locker had been applied. I would not think they could detect the set material between the screw and the thread. An alternative might be an ultrasonic scanning method. We don't of course, actually know what the error was. Was no thread locker applied or was the wrong strength thread locker applied. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 26, 2013 Share #183 Posted April 26, 2013 Mark, I wonder if they could x-ray the body and see if there is a bead of surplus thread locker sitting next to the threaded holes in the lugs. In that case, it would confirm that thread locker had been applied. I would not think they could detect the set material between the screw and the thread. An alternative might be an ultrasonic scanning method. We don't of course, actually know what the error was. Was no thread locker applied or was the wrong strength thread locker applied. Wilson You're right, we don't know what the problem is, might be thread locking, might be incorrect screw diameter, length or type, might be incorrect tightening torque. I agree that Leica would like to be able to take a look without going inside. Generally, there would be early warning of the screws becoming loose which would be clear to all but the most mechanically challenged. The danger to my mind is if a fractionally thinner screw had been used which could let go without warning if the camera was jolted. Leica aren't about to wash their dirty linen in public and it does seem all early cameras are going back no matter what. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 26, 2013 Share #184 Posted April 26, 2013 Mark, I wonder if they could x-ray the body and see if there is a bead of surplus thread locker sitting next to the threaded holes in the lugs. In that case, it would confirm that thread locker had been applied. I would not think they could detect the set material between the screw and the thread. An alternative might be an ultrasonic scanning method. We don't of course, actually know what the error was. Was no thread locker applied or was the wrong strength thread locker applied. Wilson I'm sure Leica has access to such technology, if only through the German car industry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 26, 2013 Share #185 Posted April 26, 2013 I just got the dreaded email. The quality issue with mine meant it missed out on a 3 week trip to Oz and will now miss out on a 2 week trip to the Mille Miglia in Italy. At some point, I assume this thing will start earning its keep. Just as well I am not using it in earnest because no spare batteries, R-adapter late, Grip late and all the rest. I'm going to take my Nikon D3x instead... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 26, 2013 Share #186 Posted April 26, 2013 Does anyone know what the packing box that DHL bring with them looks like? How long does it take to pack up the body? In my experience, it is quite difficult to persuade the driver to wait while you pack. The only way I have been able to do it in the past is to suggest that while they go and turn their truck around, down at the far end of my drive, I can do the packing up. Otherwise they then want to come back the next day, which means waiting in for the courier again. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 26, 2013 Share #187 Posted April 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) while they go and turn their truck around, down at the far end of my drive, I can do the packing up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 26, 2013 Share #188 Posted April 26, 2013 Ian, Drive is granting it a veneer of grandeur it does not merit. Farm track would be a better description. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 26, 2013 Share #189 Posted April 26, 2013 I was visualising a drive like at Blenheim or Castle Howard. Maybe you can block the courier in with a tractor or something whilst you pack the camera? More seriously, I'm trying to remember the packaging that was sent for the M8 recall. I don't remember it being a problem or time consuming and I'm pretty sure the courier didn't have to come back to pick it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 26, 2013 Share #190 Posted April 26, 2013 It would be interesting to know what they mean by checking. I can't see how they can verify the correct screws/locking compound have been used without dismantling the camera to the point where they can replace them or at least see them... I thought the same thing but figured if it has to go back to Germany there is no easy fix. It is amazing to me that the lugs are designed this way as opposed to using a screw as a locking pin as on many other cameras. (And with fairly easy access to that screw in case the lugs need replacement someday.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 26, 2013 Share #191 Posted April 26, 2013 I REALLY don't want to have to send mine in at the moment - there are at least three jobs coming up where it's going to be important to have the Ms, and there's no chance of loaner at the moment. As none of the lugs feel at all loose at the moment, I'm thinking of giving myself a bit of insurance by bodging a nylon cord protection system. 3mm military cord attached with a noose knot around the throat of the lens and tied to each of the strap lugs. Whether one or two decide to detach themselves, the body/lens shouldn't be able to drop to the floor... As it's rare for me to change lenses when I'm working quickly (hence the need for the two bodies), this won't be too inconvenient. QUESTION - has anyone actually noticed things getting loose before the lugs separate from the body? I'd rather not cover the camera with clunky bits of cord - but this should work if there's a risk of things falling apart with no warning! Apologies for poor quality phone images... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/201872-leica-m-strap-lugs-unscrewing-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2307984'>More sharing options...
dwbell Posted April 26, 2013 Share #192 Posted April 26, 2013 Nice ropemanship! Just thinking out loud if connecting to one of those R-Strap or Gordy type tripod socket threaded thingemy-jiggies might be more prudent / less obtrusive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salander Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share #193 Posted April 26, 2013 QUESTION - has anyone actually noticed things getting loose before the lugs separate from the body? I'd rather not cover the camera with clunky bits of cord - but this should work if there's a risk of things falling apart with no warning! Apologies for poor quality phone images... I don't know if they were slowly coming loose, or just catastrophically instantly failed. One side fell off, and the other was very loose. When I called about the problem, Leica said they couldn't exchange the body because there was no stock, and they had no idea for the repair time, but thought it could be over a month. I was planning to shoot 2 jobs with the camera, and it broke a couple days before :mad: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 26, 2013 Share #194 Posted April 26, 2013 Please keep this thread for the DISCUSSION of the strap lug problem and recall; any QUESTIONS should be posted in the thread provided by Admin. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/281477-your-questions-leica-leica-m-lug.html#post2384900 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 26, 2013 Share #195 Posted April 26, 2013 Nice ropemanship! Just thinking out loud if connecting to one of those R-Strap or Gordy type tripod socket threaded thingemy-jiggies might be more prudent / less obtrusive? Ah - I'd not thought about that option! I have a little tripod plate with a thumbscrew. This is a neater way of doing it - and I don't have to spend yet more money on something I shouldn't need Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/201872-leica-m-strap-lugs-unscrewing-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2308020'>More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 26, 2013 Share #196 Posted April 26, 2013 Please keep this thread for the DISCUSSION of the strap lug problem and recall; any QUESTIONS should be posted in the thread provided by Admin.http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/281477-your-questions-leica-leica-m-lug.html#post2384900 Dear Jaap - hope I've not sinned - but this does seem to be part of the discussion doesn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 26, 2013 Share #197 Posted April 26, 2013 And hey - you can get the Black Rapid FastenR3 for under £10 on Amazon... http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003LA595M/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 As I reckon I'll find a use for them anyway, I've ordered a couple so I can at least have backup strap security while I'm waiting to send the bodies back to Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted April 26, 2013 Share #198 Posted April 26, 2013 Happy Days! (Kind of...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 26, 2013 Share #199 Posted April 26, 2013 Dear Jaap - hope I've not sinned - but this does seem to be part of the discussion doesn't it? Chris - not aimed at you nor at anybody in particular. I have copied a number of posts to the questions thread. Just trying to keep the forum more or less organized with the least possible effort on my part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 26, 2013 Share #200 Posted April 26, 2013 Cribbing off Chris, here is my safety strap. I have used one off an old light meter with a spring clip at one end. Looped it though one split ring, through a Manfrotto RC12 plate and clipped on to the other split ring. I am not sending in my camera until the end of next month when I have a scheduled hospital stay and don't need a camera. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/201872-leica-m-strap-lugs-unscrewing-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2308064'>More sharing options...
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