Don Morley Posted March 30, 2013 Share #41 Posted March 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) If I wanted live view I would buy a Canon or Nikon SLR, come to think of i I already have a Canon 7D along with my two M9's but have never felt the need or inclined to use live view. Come on you lot get a life and either buy a camera from another manufacturer that does what it should do from the day of its release, or please just stop complaining. Don:mad: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Hi Don Morley, Take a look here Struggling a bit using the M(240) EVF. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
k-hawinkler Posted March 30, 2013 Share #42 Posted March 30, 2013 I don't know about Canons. The problem with LiveView on my Nikon D800E is that it is only displayed on the LCD. Switch LiveView on and the Optical Viewfinder is mechanically blocked off with a little lever. So, it's only good on a tripod, unless you want to hold the camera with stretched out arms. Give me a break! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share #43 Posted March 30, 2013 If I wanted live view I would buy a Canon or Nikon SLR, come to think of i I already have a Canon 7D along with my two M9's but have never felt the need or inclined to use live view. Come on you lot get a life and either buy a camera from another manufacturer that does what it should do from the day of its release, or please just stop complaining. Don:mad: Thanks Don, what a helpful post. I already own a Canon 5DMk3 with Live View, but as I'm sure you are aware it's a terrible way to focus and compose on a dSLR. But this thread is about the M240, not about your crop sensor Canon or your two M9s (which had WB issues when released in 2009). Did you complain then or are you a new Leica expert? :( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted March 30, 2013 Share #44 Posted March 30, 2013 Live view is good for extreme close up works, auto focus fine tune, absolutely precise composition if the slr viewfinder is not 100%. All this are tripod situations anyway. I suggest adding a dark cloth mode for view cameras and a magnifying loupe, maybe the one you use for cleaning sensors so it does double duty. Try a blanket or dark towel and you will see how it works. If you wanted a zombie camera, you way overspent. They are worth $200 tops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted March 30, 2013 Share #45 Posted March 30, 2013 I have to disagree about precise composition requiring a tripod. The relationship of near-far objects with an ultrawide is difficult to control with an external finder, but simple with an SLR or EVF, even without a tripod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 30, 2013 Share #46 Posted March 30, 2013 The problem with LiveView on my Nikon D800E is that it is only displayed on the LCD.Switch LiveView on and the Optical Viewfinder is mechanically blocked off with a little lever. So, it's only good on a tripod, unless you want to hold the camera with stretched out arms. Indeed live view and rangefinder cameras are a much better match than live view and DSLRs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblutter Posted March 30, 2013 Share #47 Posted March 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) This tread is terrifying - how far from classic M shooting can you get?! Am sticking with the 9 for the simplicity. If I was Mr. GiantBucks however... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted March 30, 2013 Share #48 Posted March 30, 2013 This tread is terrifying - :eek: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 31, 2013 Share #49 Posted March 31, 2013 how far from classic M shooting can you get?! I think the question we must all ask ourselves is how far from classic M shooting to do want to go. We now have many options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted May 21, 2013 Share #50 Posted May 21, 2013 Nice websites. Don't forget to update your gear info for the M 240 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted May 22, 2013 Share #51 Posted May 22, 2013 The problem with LiveView on my Nikon D800E is that it is only displayed on the LCD You can use the HDMI out and attach an EVF that is used for video cameras. Not perfect but propably better in somy situations than LV on display only. here's what I would wish for when using the EVF 1. Aim camera at desire light source and lock exposure with M button 2. Shift camera to scene and focus with focus aid auto zoom 3. Compose and shoot. Alternative for 1. Use front button and thumbwheel to adjust exposure compensation, so you do not have to keep the exposure button half pressed all the time. Better alternative for 2. and 3. (but currently not possible ): Move focus aid (magnified area) to the desired position at already composed image (significantly better on tripods) and focus precisely on that point (avoiding issues that will shift focus point only due to recomposing). Focusing the 0.95 Noctilux with the EVF is truly magical I can confirm that for the SLR Magic HyperPrime CINE 50/T0.95 as well (the budget friendlier version without calibrated RF coupling but that I prefer optically). But especially when using a lens with such an extremely shallow DOF you will see the negative impact of recomposing after focusing in the center. I showed this at the end of the review linked here http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/284927-just-another-review-including-nex-7-a.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share #52 Posted May 22, 2013 Thanks Helge for an interesting and informative review, which I very much enjoyed. You are obviously enjoying using the M240's Live View mode with the Hyperprime. Even though we've had our differences of opinion I have always said that this lens has excellent optics and very good glass, and it's nice to see your results with this combo. I also smiled when I read your comment concerning color balancing between the M240 and the Sony Nex-7: "Both images required courageous postprocessing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted May 22, 2013 Share #53 Posted May 22, 2013 Hi all: I have a, somewhat related, question about using the add-on EVF. I tried this out at the Lecia shop in Miami, and while I really liked it, I had trouble getting my eye fully centered on the rangefinder viewer when the add-on EVF was on. I chalked it up to just not having enough time to get to used to it. What has been your experience using the add-on EVF? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 22, 2013 Share #54 Posted May 22, 2013 Hi all: I have a, somewhat related, question about using the add-on EVF. I tried this out at the Lecia shop in Miami, and while I really liked it, I had trouble getting my eye fully centered on the rangefinder viewer when the add-on EVF was on. I chalked it up to just not having enough time to get to used to it. What has been your experience using the add-on EVF? Thanks. If like me you are a left eye viewer it is not great trying to use the RF with EVF attached and vari-focal spectacles like I wear, make it worse. I have been trying to re-train myself to right eye viewing but 50+ years of left eye use is difficult to put aside. It has got worse, since I changed to the large eye-cup on the EVF, which has improved the EVF experience. I usually end up taking the EVF off and putting it in my pocket if I am using an RF lens. Hopefully Luigi will come up with a nice little leather case for it soon Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted May 22, 2013 Share #55 Posted May 22, 2013 If like me you are a left eye viewer it is not great trying to use the RF with EVF attached and vari-focal spectacles like I wear, make it worse. I have been trying to re-train myself to right eye viewing but 50+ years of left eye use is difficult to put aside. It has got worse, since I changed to the large eye-cup on the EVF, which has improved the EVF experience. I usually end up taking the EVF off and putting it in my pocket if I am using an RF lens. Hopefully Luigi will come up with a nice little leather case for it soon Wilson Thanks Wilson. When you do use your right eye, is there enough clearance to get your eye in a good position with the EVF attached? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 22, 2013 Share #56 Posted May 22, 2013 Thanks Wilson. When you do use your right eye, is there enough clearance to get your eye in a good position with the EVF attached? Just about, depending on the shape of your spectacles if you wear these. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted May 22, 2013 Share #57 Posted May 22, 2013 I love the EVF, and use it way more than I ever expected. I wear glasses and dont have any more issues than any other device or even the rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 22, 2013 Share #58 Posted May 22, 2013 Luigi is now doing cases for the EVF and an SD card. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott997 Posted May 25, 2013 Share #59 Posted May 25, 2013 Hi all: I have a, somewhat related, question about using the add-on EVF. I tried this out at the Lecia shop in Miami, and while I really liked it, I had trouble getting my eye fully centered on the rangefinder viewer when the add-on EVF was on. I chalked it up to just not having enough time to get to used to it. What has been your experience using the add-on EVF? Thanks. You must raise the EVF into a vertical position when Shooting rangefinder. I want to share my experience with the OP. I am a Noctilux shooter as well. I enjoy shooting street, portraits with my M. For any quick shots to capture decisive moments you must use the rangefinder. The evf was not designed for this. The EVF escpecially on the Noctilux works excellent for critical focus on portraits or any other artistic photography where you have nothing but time. This is still an M camera! Think how far we have come since the M9. When street shooting, bracket focus and use your buffer man. You can't capture things instantly by, pressing your EVF, pressing shutter halfway, locking focus, composing, unless you have a super power. LOL Certainly send Leica an email, they love customer feedback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 26, 2013 Share #60 Posted May 26, 2013 I don't know how stiff the hinge on the Leica EVF-2 is. My well used Olympus VF-2's hinge has become fairly free and the catch requires very little pressure to release. I find myself knocking the EVF head into the wrong position quite a lot. Unfortunately this seems to be a plastic hinge with no screw to tighten it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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