fotografr Posted February 23, 2013 Share #1 Â Posted February 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am assuming that files need to be converted from grayscale to RGB in order to work on them in Silver Efex Pro. Is that correct? Â Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest borge Posted February 23, 2013 Share #2 Â Posted February 23, 2013 No. All you loose is the abilitty to use the color channels. Everything else works as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 23, 2013 Share #3 Â Posted February 23, 2013 If you had a tendency to add a blue or green filter in the App, it no longer works. As stated above, the sliders Film Types> Sensitivity, they don't work as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #4 Â Posted February 23, 2013 I have the Silver Efex Pro installed as a plug-in to my CS5 and when I have an MM image open in Photoshop and select "filters" the Silver Efex Pro is grayed out (non-selectable). The only way I've been able to make it operable is to convert the image to RGB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted February 23, 2013 Share #5 Â Posted February 23, 2013 I have the Silver Efex Pro installed as a plug-in to my CS5 and when I have an MM image open in Photoshop and select "filters" the Silver Efex Pro is grayed out (non-selectable). The only way I've been able to make it operable is to convert the image to RGB. Â Huh? I do this all the time. Open the DNG directly in PS and select SEP from the plug-ins menu and apply SEP as a layer.. No problems here. And I never convert the DNG's at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinxter Posted February 23, 2013 Share #6 Â Posted February 23, 2013 In Photoshop the color mode needs to be RGB. If you are open the file with Camera Raw the default may be "Gray Gamma..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 23, 2013 Share #7 Â Posted February 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the Silver Efex Pro installed as a plug-in to my CS5 and when I have an MM image open in Photoshop and select "filters" the Silver Efex Pro is grayed out (non-selectable). The only way I've been able to make it operable is to convert the image to RGB. Â Huh???? My image comes into CS6 from LR4 as a DNG in the ProPhoto Working Space which show up as a RGB (meaningless). I then go to SEP2 (which creates a TIFF by definition of the Plug-in), and clicking on the Color Filters (not-grayed out) does nothing. Nor does playing with the strength. Are you bringing in jpegs (I never do that)? What is you working space in CS5? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #8 Â Posted February 23, 2013 Huh? I do this all the time. Open the DNG directly in PS and select SEP from the plug-ins menu and apply SEP as a layer.. No problems here. And I never convert the DNG's at all. Â That's what I'm doing, except that when left as grayscale, I am not able to select Nik Software on the dropdown because it is grayed out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #9 Â Posted February 23, 2013 Huh????My image comes into CS6 from LR4 as a DNG in the ProPhoto Working Space which show up as a RGB (meaningless). I then go to SEP2 (which creates a TIFF by definition of the Plug-in), and clicking on the Color Filters (not-grayed out) does nothing. Nor does playing with the strength. Are you bringing in jpegs (I never do that)? What is you working space in CS5? Â Working space is RGB, and I am bringing the images in as jpegs. Is that my problem? Â Actually, I just re-checked and I was wrong about that. They are opening in Phososhop as DNGs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 23, 2013 Share #10 Â Posted February 23, 2013 Working space is RGB, and I am bringing the images in as jpegs. Is that my problem? Â If you are able to work with color channels, I wouldn't call it a problem? Click on the different filter, Red, Green, etc. Do they look any different? Â Sure you didn't grab your M9P by mistake and have the LCD on grey-scale display? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #11 Â Posted February 23, 2013 Â Sure you didn't grab your M9P by mistake and have the LCD on grey-scale display? Â I wish that was it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 23, 2013 Share #12 Â Posted February 23, 2013 That's what I'm doing, except that when left as grayscale, I am not able to select Nik Software on the dropdown because it is grayed out. Â That's weird? Look in the Layers Panel. I think initially the base layer must be named "Background", not "Layer 0" for example. Also, make sure your initial Layer does not have a layer mask applied. I know there is something simple that happens to me once in a while and it is my fault and not the softwares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 23, 2013 Share #13 Â Posted February 23, 2013 That is normal. You must convert to RGB to use SE in 16 bits. Otherwise it is greyed out. I even have an action to do this and jump into SE. If you want to use a lossless conversion you can use SE in LAB as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #14  Posted February 23, 2013 Working space is RGB, and I am bringing the images in as jpegs. Is that my problem? Actually, I just re-checked and I was wrong about that. They are opening in Phososhop as DNGs.  Also, my SEF2 default save is PSD, which I always have to change to tif or jpeg. Do I have some settings screwed up somewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #15 Â Posted February 23, 2013 That is normal. You must convert to RGB to use SE in 16 bits. Otherwise it is greyed out. I even have an action to do this and jump into SE. Â Whew! Thanks you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 23, 2013 Share #16 Â Posted February 23, 2013 No reason to convert to 16 bit if you change your preferences in ACR (see below). My working space is Pro Photo, I can always dumb it down from there. It's just a matter of in CS5 Menu>Edit>Color Settings>RGB In ACR, go to the bottom and click the panel icon where you can save 16 bit as a sticky. Always best to work in Adjustment Layers (I know they are non-destructive until you flatten which I always do so I can save back a Master TFF to LR) and Plug-ins as 16 bit. If you have a favorite filter in CS5 that only runs in 8 bit, use it last after converting to 8 bit in the Mode panel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 23, 2013 Share #17 Â Posted February 23, 2013 I always work in 16 bits from ACR onwards and dumb down prior to export if needed. (CS6) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 23, 2013 Share #18 Â Posted February 23, 2013 That is normal. You must convert to RGB to use SE in 16 bits. Otherwise it is greyed out. I even have an action to do this and jump into SE.If you want to use a lossless conversion you can use SE in LAB as well. Â I always work in 16 bits from ACR onwards and dumb down prior to export if needed. (CS6) I mentioned 16 bits because SE will accept greyscale 8 bits (not recommended) Â Jaap, is it the moderator in you that always has to have the last word??? Holy shit am I going to make some enemies on this Forum for that one. Oh, that's right, I already have as I am the only one to have the balls to stand up to one of the Brits who doesn't even have a M8-M9 and constantly degrades those who do. Seems he is best friends with all the mods. I digress. Â Please read your quotes above. Why would you need an action to convert from 8bit to 16bit unless you are working in 32, which absolutely no one I know does. If things are set up in preferences ACR easily opens images in CS whatever in Adobe sRGB, Adobe, or ProPhoto Color Spaces. So automatically, the image is in RGB mode. Why would anyone want to open as Greyscale with Monochrom or M9 files? It's simply a matter of setting your preferences to negate redundant behavior that there is no need for. And I have a zillion Actions. Â therefore, for those of you are new to PP, as these posts are not read only by bo, fotografr, and myself. Keep your images in 16 bit RGB as long as possible until after resizing (this includes sharpening). Any filter that you use that works in 8 bit only, wait to the last. Â Again, there is no palpable reason I see for the needed for the action you mentioned even as far as time goes. Â If I was working in Greyscale (never), I simply go to Image, slide to Mode, slide to RGB, do the same, this time sliding to 16 bit. Just timed it at 2.5 seconds. Finding my Action list, then scrolling through then finding the Play action button, took much, much, much longer.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted February 23, 2013 Share #19 Â Posted February 23, 2013 I've only read half of this thread but here's my experience. It so happens that I already owned the Nik software package so I am not using the downloaded SEP2 version supplied through Leica. However, I'm presuming it's the same software as the version 2 I'm using. Â I open Monochrom DNGs in Photoshop CS6,which first processes the DNGs in ACR 7.x. In ACR Gray Gamma 2.2, 16 bit is the profile. When looking at these grayscale photoshop files, both Color Efex Pro and Silver Efex Pro are grayed out. The mode must be switched to RGB to get those two filters working. This was not the case with SEP 1. I wrote to nik support to ask them about this and they confirmed that SEP and CEP both want to see RGB files. They also added some mumbo jumbo about how there is more information in an RGB file, as if that would give a better result. Â I'm not at home but I'm wondering if developing the DNG into a tiff rather than a psd file would solve this problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 23, 2013 Share #20 Â Posted February 23, 2013 I don't understand why someone would develop a PHOTOGRAPH as a PSD file at all. And if one has good reason, why they wouldn't make that selection at the very end as when one converts to jpeg. That's without even getting into the proprietary nature of PSD files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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