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Colour space and Monochrom files


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I've seen this a few time. Usually when exporting to SFX. I figured it was just banding, but that confused me because I was in 16bit ProPhoto RGB.

 

:confused: Silver Efex works in 8 bits. And Profoto RGB has no meaning for a monochrome image as it is a colourspace.

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The colours we use for toning are well within the gamut of even the smallest colour space.

The function of a colour space is to describe the colours that can be rendered mathematically. Obviously that has no meaning in black and white photography.

I would recommend "Real World Color Management" by Fraser,Murphy and Bunting. It is available at a reasonable price for Kindle.

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As interesting as it is, isn’t all this talk about colour spaces and colour depth beside the point? It isn’t banding/posterisation we are dealing with here.

 

Yep. Didn't intend to take this one off the rails...

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Works in 16-bit mode when I use it in Photoshop CS6.

 

Very happy my attention was drawn to this. I was converting raw to grayscale 16 bit ( probably paranoid, to avoid unbalancing colour channels) SE only accepts 8 bit grayscale, but 16 bit RGB.... :o

I'll assign an action to a function key.

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:confused: Silver Efex works in 8 bits. And Profoto RGB has no meaning for a monochrome image as it is a colourspace.

 

Is this really the case :eek: for Silver Efex. It sounds like a recipe for posterization and banding artefacts. In which case it would suggest that all major tonal adjustments be done in Lightroom, followed by a final pass though Silver Efex if a particular look is required.

 

ProPhoto colour space has a gamma value of 1.8, not 2.2 used by sRGB, so non-colour managed software such as many web-browsers will not display gray scale images that are in ProPhoto space correctly.

 

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The function of a colour space is to describe the colours that can be rendered mathematically. Obviously that has no meaning in black and white photography.

 

Not entirely. Color spaces are defined (in addition to RGB primary limits) with a "white point" and a "gamma" - both of which may influence grays (essentially, white balance and mid-range contrast curve).

 

Most commonly-used color spaces use a white point of D65, so that becomes moot for the most part. But a middle gray (128/128/128) in a gamma-2.2 color space is a darker gray (visually onscreen) than 128/128/128 in a gamma-1.8 color space.

 

or put another way - the gray that is 128/128/128 in a g2.2-space becomes 110/110/110 converted to a g1.8-space.

 

And if you are printing, the color space of your image gets converted to the color space of your printer via the printing profile, so the grays may change.

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With which types of files does Silver Efex Pro 2 work?

 

Silver Efex Pro 2 works with 8- and 16-bit images; RGB, CMYK and LAB color spaces. Silver Efex Pro 2 will not work with images in the Grayscale mode.

 

When using Silver Efex Pro 2 as an external editor for Lightroom, Silver Efex Pro 2 can support JPEG and TIFF files*.

*Silver Efex Pro 2 only supports TIFF files in 8 or 16-bit with no compression or LZW compression.

 

 

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I convert to lab to use SE and back to grayscale 16 afterwards. No loss that I can see.

 

I keep mine in ProPhoto16 bit all the way through the print with my own machine and with Image Print I sometimes have to uprez an image (have the RIP create pixels) when it is severely cropped and I am printing large and I see no banding or artifacts.......

This moving in and out of spaces is pure gibberish with MM images.

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I keep mine in ProPhoto16 bit all the way through the print with my own machine and with Image Print I sometimes have to uprez an image (have the RIP create pixels) when it is severely cropped and I am printing large and I see no banding or artifacts.......

This moving in and out of spaces is pure gibberish with MM images.

 

Hi William, I have a couple questions about your use of Imageprint. You keep your files im the ProPhoto space all the way. For monochrom images do you use a color or gray scale IP profile? And with your workflow, are you getting good softproofing from within IP?

 

From the IP user manual and from talking to their tech support I'd developed a different workflow, but am curious about yours.

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