dwbell Posted January 28, 2013 Share #81 Posted January 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't care about OOC color at all. I do care about the color rendering that's "baked in" by the sensor - the choice of dyes that defines the extent to which there's overlap between the red, green and blue photo sites, etc. Those overlaps define how good the basic sensor's color separation will be. What would I like? - cleaner colors, and not to see the kind of low level patterning that I associate with previous generation Canon sensors; something closer to what you get from the latest generation of Nikon/Sony sensors. But, like I said, that's my subjective view. Regards, Sandy Thanks. I think maybe I've accepted that Leica are never going to lead, in these terms. Probably due to size of development budget etc when compared to Sony and the big guns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Hi dwbell, Take a look here First M240 RAW files released.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sydkugelmass Posted January 28, 2013 Share #82 Posted January 28, 2013 Has the M sensor's frame exactly the same physical size of that one in the KAF18500, or is it slightly smaller? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 28, 2013 Share #83 Posted January 28, 2013 Would someone help or advise me please? I can't download the DNGs directly so I tried using the MEGA site that JCharlton kindly linked us in on. But when I download all that happens is it runs through the process to 100% and then......nothing. I've tried searching my computer in case its tucked it away somewhere, but nothing. I assume I'm doing something wrong, but what? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted January 28, 2013 Share #84 Posted January 28, 2013 I posted earlier that I have no idea what Leica is doing with this latest strategy, and it seems very bizarre to me the way Dr. Rohde's images and comments are being released, with almost no other samples or comments. Apparently the good doctor is the only one who is not still bound by an NDA. Jono Slack has now been photographed with his M240 while on vacation in the Italian Alps. Going back and reviewing the images he has posted on facebook during this trip I see images that I feel certain are from the M240, several which have been converted to B&W. IMHO these images only strengthen my belief that Leica is royally screwing up in the way they are releasing samples. Jono's images are razor sharp, even for jpegs 2048 × 1365 pixels at 72dpi and exhibit amazing dynamic range and tonality. Come on Leica. Cry havoc and let slip the real samples of the M240!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted January 28, 2013 Share #85 Posted January 28, 2013 See post #51. I was also unable to download the DNGs until I used the link provided in this previous post. Would someone help or advise me please? I can't download the DNGs directly so I tried using the MEGA site that JCharlton kindly linked us in on. But when I download all that happens is it runs through the process to 100% and then......nothing. I've tried searching my computer in case its tucked it away somewhere, but nothing. I assume I'm doing something wrong, but what? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted January 28, 2013 Share #86 Posted January 28, 2013 Stephen, Do you have a link for this site of Jono's? (I'm not very Facebook literate--and a simple google search didn't help me.) Thanks! I posted earlier that I have no idea what Leica is doing with this latest strategy, and it seems very bizarre to me the way Dr. Rohde's images and comments are being released, with almost no other samples or comments. Apparently the good doctor is the only one who is not still bound by an NDA. Jono Slack has now been photographed with his M240 while on vacation in the Italian Alps. Going back and reviewing the images he has posted on facebook during this trip I see images that I feel certain are from the M240, several which have been converted to B&W. IMHO these images only strengthen my belief that Leica is royally screwing up in the way they are releasing samples. Jono's images are razor sharp, even for jpegs 2048 × 1365 pixels at 72dpi and exhibit amazing dynamic range and tonality. Come on Leica. Cry havoc and let slip the real samples of the M240!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 28, 2013 Share #87 Posted January 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) http://www.facebook.com/jono.slack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted January 28, 2013 Share #88 Posted January 28, 2013 I'm not sure if you will be able to see Jono's photos on Facebook, and I would never repost them without permission, but I will say that from what I can see he is doing an excellent job of putting the M240 through it's paces by capturing images in extreme lighting conditions in the Italian Alps. Some of Jono's shots remind me of the amazing work done by D. Paul Wolff in 1930s Germany as documented in "Meine Erfahrungen mit der Leica". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 28, 2013 Share #89 Posted January 28, 2013 I particularly dislike the blown highlight transitioning in the bar shot This is unfortunately the Achilles heel of digital and you won't find any digital camera that produces the subtle roll-off into white that film gives you. So you can stop searching for now and stick with film if this is what bothers you. Unfortunately. I find that the Fuji X1 produces the most pleasing transition in overexposed areas from what I have seen in my friend's prints, but then again, the Fuji has other problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 28, 2013 Share #90 Posted January 28, 2013 Come on Leica. Cry havoc and let slip the real samples of the M240!!! I'm certain that those people who have signed an NDA with Leica are feeling confused by this messy way of releasing DNGs of indifferent images which are also, in all likelihood, generated by an early version of the firmware and a sensor which has not been given a final calibration... If I were in Leica's marketing or technical departments I'd be feeling annoyed with whoever had put these in the public domain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 28, 2013 Share #91 Posted January 28, 2013 Plasticman: I particularly dislike the blown highlight transitioning in the bar shot, Look into Tiffen Ultra-Contrast filters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted January 28, 2013 Share #92 Posted January 28, 2013 I'm not sure if you will be able to see Jono's photos on Facebook' date=' and I would never repost them without permission, but I will say that from what I can see he is doing an excellent job of putting the M240 through it's paces by capturing images in extreme lighting conditions in the Italian Alps. Some of Jono's shots remind me of the amazing work done by D. Paul Wolff in 1930s Germany as documented in "Meine Erfahrungen mit der Leica".[/quote'] I agree completely about not sharing private images. I am glad that Jono is testing the camera. (Yes, that must be it on the table.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted January 28, 2013 Share #93 Posted January 28, 2013 http://www.facebook.com/jono.slack Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 28, 2013 Share #94 Posted January 28, 2013 Jono's images are razor sharp, even for jpegs 2048 × 1365 pixels at 72dpi and exhibit amazing dynamic range and tonality. Stephen - Hello Thanks for your observations about Jono's photos. The photos provided by Dr. Rhodes are under exposed. As I stated previously, I'm encouraged by them and his positive statements but, I agree with you that we need some really good files to look at. I do disagree with sandymc about the color. From what I can tell from one picture of skin tone, I like the non-blothchy, non-red saturated skin tone in the bar-photo. But, this is one photo with the exposure affected by the strong window light. Not, exactly a great example to draw conclusions from. I have pictures from my M9 that both look as good and look worse depending on the mix of lighting temperature. Jono, we are somewhat impatiently waiting for your great work. Until then there isn't a lot more to say... Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted January 28, 2013 Share #95 Posted January 28, 2013 This is unfortunately the Achilles heel of digital and you won't find any digital camera that produces the subtle roll-off into white that film gives you. So you can stop searching for now and stick with film if this is what bothers you. Unfortunately. Hi Bernd - I've been working with digital imaging for pretty much my whole adult life now (though not as a photographer or retoucher I hasten to add). Film is for my own enjoyment. As you mentioned, different sensors and / or post-processing cope with the Achilles heel in differing ways. For instance, I particularly like the way the OMD / E-PL5 sensor deals with highlight roll-off (explained here on theonlinephotographer) and I was hoping that Leica might follow the same sort of path. We'll see. I find it hard to believe this is the best the new camera can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 28, 2013 Share #96 Posted January 28, 2013 I'm not sure if you will be able to see Jono's photos on Facebook, and I would never repost them without permission, but I will say that from what I can see he is doing an excellent job of putting the M240 through it's paces by capturing images in extreme lighting conditions in the Italian Alps. Some of Jono's shots remind me of the amazing work done by D. Paul Wolff in 1930s Germany as documented in "Meine Erfahrungen mit der Leica". Guess where I am right now doing a in the tracks of Dr.Wolf right now on the MM? I'll keep an eye open for Jono... Btw, the weather was quite drab today. No good shooting to be had. Sidenote to history: Dr. Wolff never used a Leica for his action shots of skiers. He used a 16mm movie camera and pulled stills from the film. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/197047-first-m240-raw-files-released/?do=findComment&comment=2227215'>More sharing options...
Manicouagan1 Posted January 28, 2013 Share #97 Posted January 28, 2013 The file can be read in Apple Aperture already. Although the Leica M (Typ 240) does not appear in Apple Aperture's official list of supported cameras, it apppears that the files can in fact be read by the Mac OS 10.8.2. I downloaded one of the files discussed here, ran it though DNG converter (as I do with regular M9 files) and it seemed to work fine in Aperture. The EXIF file even shows the inferred aperture used for the image. The image I downloaded shrank from 48.3 MB to 23.7 MB on the pass throough DNG converter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhusick Posted January 28, 2013 Share #98 Posted January 28, 2013 John, I am seeing all kinds of detail at 400% zoom in Lightroom using my MacBook Pro Retina display. Could it be your monitor? -Brad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 28, 2013 Share #99 Posted January 28, 2013 Hi Brad - It isn't John's monitor. It is actually simpler than that. All you have to do is track John and plasticman's posts over time and you will figure out what is going on pretty quickly. I'm from Seattle too, Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted January 28, 2013 Share #100 Posted January 28, 2013 John,I am seeing all kinds of detail at 400% zoom in Lightroom using my MacBook Pro Retina display. Could it be your monitor? -Brad I am using the new 27" thin iMac with Fusion drive and 32GB ram. In the latter DNG's I processed and posted there was much more detail but the first one of the flowers lacked detail in my view (comparing detail provided on flowers and leaves from an RX1 or a DP2M). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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