Paulus Posted January 26, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The thought just struck me. In my opinion the ME and M9, M9P are the cameras for the "old" Leica users. As soon as we all have bought one, - the M8 users that still haven't, the M6 and MP users still contemplating their digital step- , there is no point in buying an M240.There will not be so much difference in image quality between the M9 sensor and the M240. This kind op quality goes by small steps nowadays. Maybe some buy, as a "second"an M 240 body, for the fortunate ones or the ones who think they need the newest camera on the block. I am talking here about the non professional users. There will be a market for the professional users, but that will remain a small one. The M 240 is made for the new un-known- to-Leica market. The old market will be saturated in a year or two. I noticed also very young people ( 17- 25 ) getting interested in the looks of these cameras. The future of Leica is with them and their filming M camera. We, the averaged Leica user with an average age of 48 years, will stop buying cameras in two years from now. That why Leica needs this M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter H Posted January 26, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 26, 2013 Paulus, I think much of what you say is very wise. But why do you expect enthusiasts to lose the urge to buy cameras when they reach 50? In my experience, quite the reverse is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted January 26, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 26, 2013 I am well above the average age at 63. While the M240 is an interesting camera, the bells and whistles do not interest me. Call me old fashioned I guess. I was so happy when the M8 came out because I had gone digital with a Nikon and did not want to continue with film. My M9 and now MM really will keep me busy well into my above average age. I wonder if a younger generation will want to invest in the cost of the M240 and several lens. I hope so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martha Posted January 26, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 26, 2013 That is very interesting logic, Paulus. However, it is those of us who have attained a certain age that will have the money to buy the M240; the younger folks usually don't have that kind of credit or cash on hand. I DO hope, however, that people of any age continue to buy Leica cameras, as it will keep the company in business and insure dependable "forever" service; and that wish is about as transparently selfish as you can get!!!! Cheers, martha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCharlton Posted January 26, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 26, 2013 I disagree completely. This has little to do with age. It's about money, and if the digital M series was priced in the same bracket as the Leica film series, you'd see plenty of young folks in the digital market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted January 26, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 26, 2013 We, the averaged Leica user with an average age of 48 years, will stop buying cameras in two years from now. We will only stop buying new cameras when we are either dead or broke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted January 26, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) i don't understand all this cynicism and wanting the M240 to not succeed. No wonder people think we Leica users are snobs!! The M240 is going to be a HUGE success.....i don't know why one has to be over or under 50 years-old to be classified as a potential buyer. Another point which i don't understand. All that being said.....i, personally, am not interested in the camera. HOWEVER it is naive to think it will not be a good camera and that it will not succeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted January 26, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 26, 2013 i don't understand all this cynicism and wanting the M240 to not succeed. No wonder people think we Leica users are snobs!! The M240 is going to be a HUGE success.....i don't know why one has to be over or under 50 years-old to be classified as a potential buyer. Another point which i don't understand. All that being said.....i' date=' personally, am not interested in the camera. HOWEVER it is naive to think it will not be a good camera and that it will not succeed.[/quote'] Really we all should want the new M to succeed! None of us want Leica to go out of business!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted January 26, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 26, 2013 We will only stop buying new cameras when we are either dead or broke. Michael that pretty well classifies most of the folks around here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 26, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 26, 2013 (...) As soon as we all have bought one (...), there is no point in buying an M240.There will not be so much difference in image quality (...) The M 240 is made for the new un-known- to-Leica market. The old market will be saturated in a year or two. (...) . I think this argument is flawed, mainly because it appears to imply that one either owns an RF camera or a live view one. I own both and would dearly love one which does both, provided the quality was consistent with the M9. That would greatly extend the number of situations which I could cover with but one camera and its accessories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted January 26, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 26, 2013 Really we all should want the new M to succeed! None of us want Leica to go out of business!! absolutely. the reason why Leica can still sell MPs and M7s are because the digital market has made the company money.......the more money Leica makes, the more they can give us very cool products like the Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted January 26, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 26, 2013 Hi Paulus Nor do I understand that there is something really big point for owners of the current M8/M9 models to make the purchase of the upcoming M240 model. Instead of wasting time going detour on M240 model, Leica should probably as some of us had expected, guided resources straight in direction of developing a camera like this: sonyalpharumors NEX FF, with AF optics from Zeiss is going to be a tough competitor for Leica when youth of 50 years () and down shall select a compact system camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taosantamonica Posted January 26, 2013 Share #13 Posted January 26, 2013 well, i'm 28 and moving away from camera's like the m240 and dslr's. i'm quite satisfied with what my m9p/monochrom/m lenses are giving me both in creativity and as a learning experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonki-M Posted January 26, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 26, 2013 I noticed also very young people ( 17- 25 ) getting interested in the looks of these cameras. that's where Fujifilm make their market, it seems, for a lot of young just doesn't have the funds to support the M system, so they opt for a compromise of the retro styled Fuji's X series. Even though the new M is more modern now, i'm just glad that Leica has managed to keep the 'rangefinder spirit' alive. Adding extra functions for those who love to have the option for flexibility, but keeping all the core component of the M system intact. Seems to be a win-win situation for us M users (as long as the CMOS can match or even surpass the superb CCD of the M9) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share #15 Posted January 26, 2013 Paulus, I think much of what you say is very wise. But why do you expect enthusiasts to lose the urge to buy cameras when they reach 50? In my experience, quite the reverse is true. The fortunate will, the other ones just won't have the money for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted January 26, 2013 Share #16 Posted January 26, 2013 [quote name=Paulus;2297063} As soon as we all have bought one' date=' - the M8 users that still haven't, the M6 and MP users still contemplating their digital step- , there is no point in buying an M240. [/quote] As you stated, your point here is quite opinionated. For me personally (and I'm nearing 50), I have an M8 and will seriously ponder the new M. (I would have preferred an updated M9 with new CCD censor, maestro processor, better LCD, same size and weight of M9, etc.) But I suspect there won't be a shortage of folks who currently have M9s who will move on the the M. The M has a better processor and LCD, it has weather sealing, it permits use of R lenses, and it permits video and focus peaking. (I personally don't care about the R lenses or video or focus peaking, but some folks will.) Image quality? Who knows. I'm hoping it's as good as the M9 at base ISO and much better at higher ISOs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 26, 2013 Share #17 Posted January 26, 2013 The thought just struck me. We, the averaged Leica user with an average age of 48 years, will stop buying cameras in two years from now. That why Leica needs this M. No we won't ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share #18 Posted January 26, 2013 "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."-Benjamin Disraeli Leica owner's age average is too high. Because few young people can buy 10k USD price tagged camera set. Please remind Ferrari user's average age in Germany. Naturally, elders have expensive hobbies. For all that, youngs have more time for coin. Leica owners average age is about 48 at this moment. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted January 26, 2013 Share #19 Posted January 26, 2013 In my opinion the ME and M9, M9P are the cameras for the "old" Leica users. As soon as we all have bought one, - the M8 users that still haven't, the M6 and MP users still contemplating their digital step- , there is no point in buying an M240.There will not be so much difference in image quality between the M9 sensor and the M240. This kind op quality goes by small steps nowadays. Maybe some buy, as a "second"an M 240 body, for the fortunate ones or the ones who think they need the newest camera on the block. I think it does not depend as much on average physical age as it depends on how long you have have been using Leica, what is your shooting style and how good is your vision. The Typ 240 provides significant benefits for low light shooting and landscape photography, for instance. I've heard on several occasions that older people turned down Leica due to their deteriorating vision and difficulty to achieve critical focus with the rangefinder. The electronic viewfinder and live view will completely change that. I think that unless there are serious design flaws or serious competition, the new camera will be hugely popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted January 26, 2013 No we won't ... Maybe you won't , but maybe you are one of the fortunates. If any Leica user would buy an M8, few years later an M9 and a few years later an M. That would cost him about € 10.000,- I would call such a person fortunate. I believe that not all Leica users are so fortunate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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