rramesh Posted November 22, 2012 Share #1 Posted November 22, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) On an impulse, just made the plunge to replace my 35 Summicron with a 28 to better complement my 50 Summilux. Will know in the coming months if I did the right thing. Together with my 90 Elmarit-M, this will be my 3 lens kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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k_g_wolf ✝ Posted November 22, 2012 Share #2 Posted November 22, 2012 A fine lens, but unless you have an M8 it won´t work. Replacement was often my excuse, when getting a new lens, in the end I used them all ... Best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 22, 2012 Share #3 Posted November 22, 2012 If the angle of view suits you the 28mm Summicron is a very very good lens, better imo than the 35mm. My perfect 'three lens kit' is also be the 28 Summicron, 90mm Elmarit M, and the 50mm Summicron (or Summilux). Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted November 22, 2012 Share #4 Posted November 22, 2012 On an impulse, just made the plunge to replace my Summicron 35 mm with a 28 mm to better complement my Summilux 50 mm. Will know in the coming months if I did the right thing. It is not possible to replace a 35 mm lens with a 28 mm lens. They are similar but still too different to replace one another. So rather than replacing, you switched from 35 mm to 28 mm. When in the past you often had the feeling that your 35 mm lens was not wide enough, or too close to the 50 mm, then you did the right thing. Otherwise, not. Many M shooters prefer the 28+50 combo over 35+50 ... and others don't. That said, the Summicron-M 28 mm Asph is a wonderful lens. You won't regret your move in terms of lens performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 22, 2012 Share #5 Posted November 22, 2012 When I first got a 28 ASPH Summicron (I swapped my rarely used WATE with a forum member for the 28 + cash), I did not like the handling very much. I decided it was because I hated the clumsy and intrusive hood. I have swapped mine for a Contax GG1 hood and matching metal lens cap. Now I love using the lens both on M8 and 9. It is my standard lens for street photography. When I compare the results of it with the results from my MATE at 28mm, I would say that the Summicron is crisper at f2, than the MATE is at f4. I used to think that my Zeiss ZM 28 Biogon could not be beaten but I think in this case, the Summicron wins and it is smaller plus a stop faster. Great technical tour de force from Leica. Also unlike some of the other ASPH lenses e.g. the 50 ASPH Summilux, I like its rendering and bokeh. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/192719-28-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=2172378'>More sharing options...
rramesh Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share #6 Posted November 22, 2012 Wilson, with the Contax GG-1 hood can I use a filter? Will it vignette? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 22, 2012 Share #7 Posted November 22, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) A good impulse. You won't regret it. One of my all-time favourite lenses. Great two lens kit with the 50 Summilux FLE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 22, 2012 Share #8 Posted November 22, 2012 Wilson, with the Contax GG-1 hood can I use a filter? Will it vignette? I would not have thought so, as the angle is wider than the original hood. However, it does screw into the inside of the lens, rather than clip on the outside of the lens like the Leica hood does so not 100% sure. I have to go out shopping now (retired husband on dinner cooking duties tonight) but I will check later on my full frame M9 as I am sure to have a UV/IR filter that will fit (I have hundreds of pounds worth of these sitting in a drawer). Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted November 22, 2012 Share #9 Posted November 22, 2012 It is not possible to replace a 35 mm lens with a 28 mm lens. They are similar but still too different to replace one another. I only shot with a 35 and 50 for many years. Then I added a 28, because I kept backing in to walls. Turns out that there is as much difference between a 28 and 35 as there is between a 35 and 50. The 28 is a very interesting focal length. It really shines indoors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted November 22, 2012 Share #10 Posted November 22, 2012 ... I hated the clumsy and intrusive hood. I have swapped mine for a Contax GG1 hood and matching metal lens cap. Many complain about the big hood but I like it. To the contrary—I hate those small and mostly useless built-in or screw-in hoods of most modern Leica M lenses. Glad the Summicron-M 28 mm Asph has a useful hood. The Contax GG1 hood is cute ... but so small you can just as well leave it out and use the lens with no hood at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 22, 2012 Share #11 Posted November 22, 2012 Back from buying mussels for tonight's dinner and did some vignetting testing with M9 with lens detection set to auto: 1) no GG1 hood, no filter 2) GG1 hood 3) GG1 hood and filter Setting 1) firstly I am surprised how poorly vignetting is corrected on the M9 at f2 by the lens detection system. If you look at Leica's own vignetting graph, I know it is a lot to correct but I would have thought they could do a bit better than they have. I think the 21/2.8 Elmarit setting when using a Voigtlander 15/4.5 corrects vignetting better than the 28 Summicron ASPH setting does for the 28. Setting 2) does vignette a little bit more particularly towards the right but not a huge amount Setting 3) The only 46mm filter I could use was a standard Leica 13411 UV/IR filter, which is quite deep. It did not though seem to increase vignetting very much from setting 2). I do wonder if on the M9 it might be worthwhile folks trying the 11134 21/2.8 Elmarit, manually set correction, if you are going to be shooting with the lens wide open. To my eyes, this correction is much nearer ideal. Obviously this is not really an option on the M8 unless you recode the lens and if you were then using a UV/IR filter, I think you would get red edges from over-correction of the cyan corners. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/192719-28-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=2172470'>More sharing options...
01af Posted November 22, 2012 Share #12 Posted November 22, 2012 1) no GG1 hood, no filter2) GG1 hood 3) GG1 hood and filter [...] Setting 2) does vignette a little bit more [than setting 1)] particularly towards the right but not a huge amount. Setting 3) The only 46 mm filter I could use was a standard Leica 13411 UV/IR filter, which is quite deep. It did not though seem to increase vignetting very much from setting 2). That's impossible. If the GG1 hood vignettes slightly more than no hood then GG1 + E46 filter would vignette significantly more. My guess is, neither setting 2) nor setting 3) are vignetting more than setting 1). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 22, 2012 Share #13 Posted November 22, 2012 Olaf, I don't know whether it is because English is not your primary language and I will be kind and assume it is not intentional but the language of your posts frequently comes over as unnecessarily confrontational and bad tempered. I know the results may be a little surprising but I posted what I saw and post the results below. The differences are marginal but they are there. Perhaps you might do us all the courtesy of assuming that most of us on this forum do actually have a good idea of what we are doing in photography. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/192719-28-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=2172504'>More sharing options...
skinnfell Posted November 22, 2012 Share #14 Posted November 22, 2012 I too have been shooting 35cron and 50cron for years, and added a 28cron by hapchance. I came across a mint one at a irresistible price, and bought it just to test it. Turns out, I like it so much that I now have to postpone my M 240 purchase. I didnt realize it, but the last couple of years I have been tilting my 35 more and more It is a totally different animal than the 35cron. Not only are they considerably different in field of view, but they draw differently. The 28 has some vignetting, as has already been pointed out, (the 35cron has hardly any) but in reportage-style photography this is not necessarily a drawback. Also, it is sharp from corner to corner. The former is easy to correct in post, the latter is not. I use it without the hood and have yet to see a picture ruined by flare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted November 22, 2012 Share #15 Posted November 22, 2012 Many complain about the big hood but I like it. To the contrary—I hate those small and mostly useless built-in or screw-in hoods of most modern Leica M lenses. Glad the Summicron-M 28 mm Asph has a useful hood. The Contax GG1 hood is cute ... but so small you can just as well leave it out and use the lens with no hood at all. I am in 100% agreement with you there. I have yet to find a retractible lens hood ( on an M lens, at least) that is worth its salt. They are just too short to be fully effective for the intended purpose. On the other hand, the Summicron 28 has an excellent lens hood that is fully functional. Yes it does intrude into the viewfinder's field of view but so what? I have found that if I just move the camera a bit, I can see what the hood obscures. Then I recompose and shoot. I have never understood why using that method to see what the hood covers is such a bother to some. JMHO but having an ineffective lens hood is far more exasperating. When it comes to photography, functional trumps cute every time. To the original poster, you will not regret investing in the 28 Summicron. It is an outstanding optic - it covers a wide spectrum of shooting situations, it is built like a bank vault door and the image quality is phenomenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted November 22, 2012 Share #16 Posted November 22, 2012 I know the results may be a little surprising but I posted what I saw and post the results below. The differences are marginal but they are there. Sorry if I come across confrontional—but as a matter of fact, I don't see the slightest additional vignetting caused by the GG1 hood or the combination of GG1 + filter in your three sample pictures. I downloaded them and normalised their brightnesses at the frames' centers in Camera Raw. Then there is no additional vignetting detectable whatsoever ... just as I suspected. The first image is very slightly brighter than the other two overall. Maybe this is what leads you into thinking there was some more vignetting. But—just take a look at the original hood and compare it to your GG1 hood. Assuming the original hood does not cause additional vignetting then there is absolutely no way how the tiny GG1 hood could. And it doesn't. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted November 22, 2012 Share #17 Posted November 22, 2012 I would not have thought so, as the angle is wider than the original hood. However, it does screw into the inside of the lens, rather than clip on the outside of the lens like the Leica hood does so not 100% sure. I have to go out shopping now (retired husband on dinner cooking duties tonight) but I will check later on my full frame M9 as I am sure to have a UV/IR filter that will fit (I have hundreds of pounds worth of these sitting in a drawer). Wilson >> Wilson Do you think this setup would also work for the M9 ?? I´am also thinking about another solution for the BIG Leicahood for some time. Best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 22, 2012 Share #18 Posted November 22, 2012 Georg, The vignetting test above was with an M9. If you look at Olaf's post, he thinks there is no vignetting at all, either with the hood or hood + a full thickness Leica filter. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted November 22, 2012 Share #19 Posted November 22, 2012 Thx. Didn´t read all the entries carefully enough. Regards GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf Posted November 22, 2012 Share #20 Posted November 22, 2012 A good impulse. You won't regret it.One of my all-time favourite lenses. Great two lens kit with the 50 Summilux FLE +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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