Keith (M) Posted November 16, 2012 Share #1 Posted November 16, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Previously I have quite enjoyed reading some of Steve Huff's reviews, but this strikes me as being somewhat pointless. Presumably he feeling bored and at a loss for something to do... The Crazy Comparison Returns! The $999 Olympus OM-D vs the $7995 Leica Monochrom! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill W Posted November 16, 2012 Share #2 Posted November 16, 2012 Not trying to be a snob or anything but sure I could probably save a lot of money and buy the Olympus but I aint gonna do it....!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyalf Posted November 16, 2012 Share #3 Posted November 16, 2012 I find these comparisons interesting. And before someone revert to the old apple versus oranges argument in lack of real arguments I rush in to say this is comparing jpegs to jepgs. So if you only intend to publish images on WEB resized to 1500 pixels wide from OOC JPEGS with no tweaks this comparison is fair (hmm). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jev Posted November 17, 2012 Share #4 Posted November 17, 2012 With that type of subjects I think my iphone will be a contender Even if someone compares things for fun, for god sake, learn to shoot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabberwockt Posted November 17, 2012 Share #5 Posted November 17, 2012 Figured the Leica would have smoother tonal transitions. Got 3 out of 4 correct guessing just based on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 17, 2012 Share #6 Posted November 17, 2012 Even if someone compares things for fun, for god sake, learn to shoot I think he's trying to show that if you are a crap photographer the MM isn't going to save your bacon. It isn't so far above the O-MD, so given there are more O-MD's sold than MM's you could rightly assume that there will be a greater proportion of 'better' photographs made with the O-MD than the MM. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted November 18, 2012 Share #7 Posted November 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) i have never really understood comparisons like this....i'm guessing MOST cameras in the $500 to $2k range will perform as the OM-D has done. still doesn't really change anything........a 2012 Toyota Corolla can get to the supermarket just as concisely as a a 2012 Audi R8 GT----doesn't mean the experience would be the same! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 20, 2012 Share #8 Posted November 20, 2012 Comparing 690x920 pixel B&W Jpegs...... You could do this with most 10+ megapixel cameras and have difficulty spotting the difference. RAW unprocessed and full size output is the only valid comparison. I for one have never doubted the processing wizardry that the big players can achieve with mediocre sensor output..... As Mr Rockwell and others have often said, a bog standard 6mp snapper will get you internet postable shots that look fantastic. Most of us aspire to somewhat loftier heights than that though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 20, 2012 Share #9 Posted November 20, 2012 Most of us aspire to somewhat loftier heights than that though.... There isn't an awful lot of 'lofty' difference between an OM-D file made with the 25mm Summilux and an M9 file made with a 50mm Summilux. Not enough to notice in a very large print, especially if content features above using a magnifying glass. And although this isn't about the M9 per se, at least one thing you can be sure of, the OM-D will has a wider dynamic range, and a better high ISO response than an M9. Things are less clear comparing it to an MM, but only less clear. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 21, 2012 Share #10 Posted November 21, 2012 I meant loftier heights than a bog standard 6mp snapper........ The OM-D looks a real cracker of a camera .... one of the few that I would be tempted by as an M9 alternative/back-up. The thing that really really depresses me is the gazillion pages of nested menus and custom settings..... photography does not need to be this complicated..... I spent a day with my Fuji X100 trying to disable ad de-select as much as possible... Even the M9 has more stuff than I ever need or use...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted November 22, 2012 Share #11 Posted November 22, 2012 The thing that really really depresses me is the gazillion pages of nested menus and custom settings..... photography does not need to be this complicated..... I spent a day with my Fuji X100 trying to disable ad de-select as much as possible... bingo! completely agree. i refuse to buy another overcomplicated camera again.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 22, 2012 Share #12 Posted November 22, 2012 Do we really need so many menus? Can controlling light be that multifaceted that we must have a near endless rabbit hole of menus interposing an endless ramifying network of algorithms between the artist and art that is so toxic to the process? Personally, I'm waiting for the camera that runs live banner-adds along the bottom of the screen while I try and take pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted November 22, 2012 Share #13 Posted November 22, 2012 The thing that really really depresses me is the gazillion pages of nested menus and custom settings..... photography does not need to be this complicated..... I spent a day with my Fuji X100 trying to disable ad de-select as much as possible... Yes the OMD menu system is daunting at first sight, but when you get down to it it is perfectly logical and quick in use. It is worth spending time to set the camera up exactly as you want it. It is just about the most customisable camera that I have ever used. You can chose which functions are most important and program the buttons that you need to operate the camera the way you want to use it. Once set up, the only time one needs to open the menu is to reformat the SD card. Even that function is so simple as it is the very first basic item on the list! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted November 22, 2012 Share #14 Posted November 22, 2012 .............The OM-D looks a real cracker of a camera .... one of the few that I would be tempted by as an M9 alternative/back-up....... I have an OM-D but in my case it's as an alternative to a huge lump of a DSLR (that, and in order to give m4/3 a try). So far so (very) good. .........The thing that really really depresses me is the gazillion pages of nested menus and custom settings..... photography does not need to be this complicated..... I spent a day with my Fuji X100 trying to disable ad de-select as much as possible......... Ah, menus. The curse of most modern cameras but I always try to set up for minimalist simplicity, as far as is possible, and then forget about them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 22, 2012 Share #15 Posted November 22, 2012 Once set up, the only time one needs to open the menu is to reformat the SD card. Even that function is so simple as it is the very first basic item on the list! Agreed. It is the first couple of days that are sometimes confusing, (even for somebody who knows the Olympus menu format quite well), after then I haven't looked at the menu at all, except for formatting and resetting my default settings. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 22, 2012 Share #16 Posted November 22, 2012 The point isn't that the menu system is too complex for us to learn. All of us have had to learn much more complex things in our lives. The point is that complex menu systems that require hunting through screens of nested menus to find useless controls, get in the way of the the most basic parameters involved in controlling light; time, brightness, and sensitivity. Most people don't understand how simple photography is because manufacturers want to make them dependent on ever more complex systems that, the consumer believes they must have to make a good picture. It really is getting quite silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted November 23, 2012 Share #17 Posted November 23, 2012 Steve Huff's site is a lot of fun and I am sure he meant his article to be light hearted. Real comparisons between cameras are about percentages of quality over a period of time. Many photos, taken with any decent camera, are going to come out well. It's how the cameras perform in more marginal conditions or when subject to greater demands that really separates them. Often that can be as much about the handling - focusing, control setting, etc. in good time to get the shot, as about the IQ and pixel peeping. Only owning and using a camera over an extended period will really make it clear what you need. Probably 70% of the photos I take are equally good whichever camera I am using. The remaining 30% make me so pleased I used a Leica. Strangely, high ISO turns out not to be a big factor for me. Other cameras do have better high ISO performance, but it is still not acceptable or desirable compared to optimum ISO conditions, so it doesn't really count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 24, 2012 Share #18 Posted November 24, 2012 The point is that complex menu systems that require hunting through screens of nested menus to find useless controls, get in the way of the the most basic parameters involved in controlling light; time, brightness, and sensitivity. I would agree with you if we were talking about, say, a Fuji camera, but that is the furthest thing from the truth with an Olympus. All basic parameters are available directly via a quick control screen that is self evident in its use even for a novice. Or you can customise buttons to fulfill basic functions. And let's not forget, the lack of a plethora of direct buttons and dials on the OMD also adds further to its weather and dust proof qualities. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 25, 2012 Share #19 Posted November 25, 2012 All basic parameters are available directly via a quick control screen that is self evident in its use even for a novice. Or you can customise buttons to fulfill basic functions. And let's not forget, the lack of a plethora of direct buttons and dials on the OMD also adds further to its weather and dust proof qualities. Steve I guess I would like that a lot. I always loved the OM1. And, I think that I was thinking of the Fuji when I wrote my post, not the Oly. Funny you would comment on that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edesalvo Posted November 25, 2012 Share #20 Posted November 25, 2012 Yes the OMD menu system is daunting at first sight, but when you get down to it it is perfectly logical and quick in use. It is worth spending time to set the camera up exactly as you want it. It is just about the most customisable camera that I have ever used. You can chose which functions are most important and program the buttons that you need to operate the camera the way you want to use it. Once set up, the only time one needs to open the menu is to reformat the SD card. Even that function is so simple as it is the very first basic item on the list! I have an OMD EM5 and an M9 and I must say thebuild quality of the OMD is excellent. It feels like a mini-M9 and is a great backup camera. Images are tack-sharp and it's fun to use. that being said, I have to admit that the menus are a bear. If you have your's set up so that it resembles the simplicity of the M9, would you be willing to share that setup with the less technologically sophisticated of us i.e. me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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