IWC Doppel Posted November 16, 2012 Share #61 Â Posted November 16, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ken Rockwell would need to spend at least 3-4 hours minumum to assess anything, realistically more. Proper assessment takes a lot longer as we all know. Â Now go through Ken's site and see how many reviews he has. Make your own assessments here as to what else he might do..... Â Oh and he does take lots of (at least to me) extremely uninteresting 'snaps', usually with a DSLR. Go through his pictures and make your own assessments here too ! Â I have no interest in KR's family and would use his site for information if I wasn't inundated by begging, I would never use the KR site for any form of critical assessment, but that's just me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 Hi IWC Doppel, Take a look here Most of us are "lame, part time shooters". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Messsucherkamera Posted November 16, 2012 Share #62 Â Posted November 16, 2012 Would it be safe to say that Ken's main interest is using his website to make money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 26, 2012 Share #63  Posted November 26, 2012 "The preselector allowed one to select other framelines without having to mount that lens. It was a crutch for casual shooters who don't know what their lenses see, and wanted to "preview" what a lens saw without having to mount it. It was a lame feature for lame part-time shooters. The preview lever was for people who only shot at Christmas and summer vacation and forgot which lens saw what...If you can't visualize simple things like this, it's time to give up on photography and take up some other less taxing hobby. As an experienced shooter, I never use this lever even when I have it..."  "A unique advantage of the Leica M cameras is the option to activate the bright-line frames for various focal lengths without having to actually change lenses. By using the field-of-view selector lever, one can very easily check whether or not a different focal length might yield a better rendition of the subject and, thus, whether it is worthwhile to change lenses." -- Günter Osterloh, Leica M Advanced Photo School.  I would hardly call Mr Osterloh lame or inexperienced.  "The LEICA M-E comes from LEICA's marketing department, not their engineering department." Was the marketing department really responsible for the decision to produce a new camera?  "I've never used the USB port on my M9 because it uses a less-standard socket, so none of my cords fit." The M uses a standard USB cable. The D-Lux series uses a non-standard USB cable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted November 26, 2012 Share #64 Â Posted November 26, 2012 "The LEICA M-E comes from LEICA's marketing department, not their engineering department." Was the marketing department really responsible for the decision to produce a new camera? Â As there's no new engineering in the M-E, all KR is saying is that the decision to produce it in place of the M9 must have been about marketing not engineering. Â And doesn't history suggest that companies where the engineers decide what to sell tend to get into even more trouble than those where the marketeers decide what to build? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 26, 2012 Share #65 Â Posted November 26, 2012 I found myself in a situation of shooting images the other day for which I found the pre-selector to be absolutely brilliant in allowing me to assess the compositional potential of several lenses. I don't often use it but there are times when it is, if not essential, at least very useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted November 26, 2012 Share #66 Â Posted November 26, 2012 What's more tragic though...is that whenever i google a specific lens, the first result is often a KR review. ugh. Â Weight and size of the lenses will be cited correct by KR, I suppose. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 26, 2012 Share #67 Â Posted November 26, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) You can instruct Google not to include hits from specific domain names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyalf Posted November 26, 2012 Share #68 Â Posted November 26, 2012 Hi, Â As to the preselector; I find the frame-lines quite inaccurate, and for me its just as useful to look into the viewer and visualize different focal lengths other than the 2 being displayed for a rough composition and choice of lens. Â Btw, thanks to all for helping out Ken . Still waiting for your corrections on Kens assessments and tests. But I'm not holding my breath Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 26, 2012 Share #69 Â Posted November 26, 2012 As to the preselector; I find the frame-lines quite inaccurate ..... More like guidance really - but that's usually enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted November 27, 2012 Share #70 Â Posted November 27, 2012 I don't typically use the preselector often - but it is nice to have sometimes, particularly since we are working with prime lenses rather than zoom lenses. Â The only feature that seems a bit lame to me is the self timer on the M3. Not exactly something a serious documentary or street shooter would need or use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 27, 2012 Share #71 Â Posted November 27, 2012 Self-timer is useful for doing as stated, also for soft releases on the tripod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 27, 2012 Share #72 Â Posted November 27, 2012 Self-timer is useful for ..... for soft releases on the tripod. Which is how I use it a great deal. And how I used mechanical self-timers. Its interesting to think that both the frame selector and self-timer have survived for a very long time on RF cameras so they must have found favour with a few of us...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendriphile Posted November 28, 2012 Share #73  Posted November 28, 2012 I don't typically use the preselector often - but it is nice to have sometimes, particularly since we are working with prime lenses rather than zoom lenses. The only feature that seems a bit lame to me is the self timer on the M3. Not exactly something a serious documentary or street shooter would need or use.  I've used the self-timer as often as I've used the lens preview lever (not very often in either case), but when you need them it's good that they're there.  BTW does anyone really use the depth of field tabs on the rangefinder patch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted November 28, 2012 Share #74 Â Posted November 28, 2012 Hello Everybody, Â Using an M3 on a tripod: Â Setting the shutter speed @ "B" & winding the shutter & releasing the selftimer w/ the little button: Consistently gives me a 3 second exposure which is very stable & solid. You should measure your own M set @ B to see how long its exposure is when you do this. It may vary from 3 seconds camera by camera but I have always found whatever the exposure is to be consistently the same. Â The selftimer can be wound (before or after winding the shutter) & then bypassed if it is not needed. It can be run down after being bypassed to make a different exposure by simply pushing the little button after making the other exposure. Or it can also be used later after being bypassed & not run down susequently. Â If you do not want the selftimer lever visibly returning to its "rest" position while running you can simply return it to its "rest" position after pushing the little button. This does not shorten the shutter delay. Â Best Regards, Â Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted November 28, 2012 Share #75 Â Posted November 28, 2012 BTW does anyone really use the depth of field tabs on the rangefinder patch? Â I used to, when I had an M2 and was using a 50mm lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted November 28, 2012 Share #76 Â Posted November 28, 2012 Hello Everybody, Â The focussing "notches " in M2's & in some M3's can be somewhat complex in actual use: Â The depth @ F5.6 for the narrower notch & F16 for the wider notch is for use w/ 50mm lenses only. Other focal lengths have other depths of field @ those notch separations. You must experiment to see how much w/ which other focal length. Â Also: Â The DOF's of 5.6 & 16 assume you agree w/ the depth of field tables engraved in the 50mm lenses you are using. Many people consider these engravings "optimistic". Some people use a DOF 1 stop larger (that is: They would use the markings for F4 when using F5.6). Some others consider 2 stops (that is: using the engravings for F2.8 when using F5.6) to be more realistic. Â Best Regards, Â Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted November 30, 2012 Share #77 Â Posted November 30, 2012 Self-timer is useful for doing as stated, also for soft releases on the tripod. When I shoot from a tripod, I use a cable release. Doesn't anyone else use a cable release these days? Â I have no desire to be in my own photos, so I don't really miss not having a self timer. I would like to have a nice M3 one day, so the self timer is not a dealbreaker to me - just sort of an oddity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 30, 2012 Share #78  Posted November 30, 2012 When I shoot from a tripod, I use a cable release. Doesn't anyone else use a cable release these days? :confused  I do, frequently, but I don't always have it to hand and the self-timer can usually come to the rescue in that situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyalf Posted November 30, 2012 Share #79 Â Posted November 30, 2012 When I shoot from a tripod, I use a cable release. Doesn't anyone else use a cable release these days? Â Both. Self timer allows me to shade for stray lights, and paint with fill in light etc...Cable release are for me only when exact exposure timing are critical. Each to her own... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted November 30, 2012 Share #80 Â Posted November 30, 2012 For tripod work I tend to use the self-timer, as on the R8/9 its use can conveniently be combined in one press with mirror lock-up. I will though use a cable release when I'm trying to catch the right moment of a changing lighting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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