wildlightphoto Posted September 22, 2012 Share #41 Posted September 22, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wonder how many people miss the part where Kasper writes: "So I will buy the DSLR, but also will keep the M." (emphasis added) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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k-hawinkler Posted September 22, 2012 Share #42 Posted September 22, 2012 I wonder how many people miss the part where Kaspar writes: "So I will buy the DSLR, but also will keep the M." (emphasis added) That's what I have done and still do. In my opinion very sensible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarcRF Posted September 22, 2012 Share #43 Posted September 22, 2012 without reading much of the former pages... some people just love to use leica for the things the camera does. it helps me to improve because it forces me to actually think. I want to use out of camera pictures only from the leica. no processing of the scans. i chose photography as a hobby to do something artistic and I chose the tool that seemed to work best for me (since DSLR didnt work at all and I prefer film) you've got a great tool there. glad you decided to keep it. I suggest buying books & reading forums helps a lot. at least it does for me Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 22, 2012 Share #44 Posted September 22, 2012 Bloody hell why all the soul searching and angst?! You want to take photos, so use whatever works best for you. Don't try to think that your preference will apply to everyone else though. You can't take photos of kids parties with an M so use the DSLR. Job done, end of. What's the problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted September 22, 2012 Share #45 Posted September 22, 2012 Choosing Leica isn't about the destination. It's about the journey you take to get there. You can travel by airplane or motorbike. One is faster and easier. The other is slower but more interesting. If you just want to get results as quickly as possible or with as little effort as possible chose something from Canikony. If your enjoyment of the craft comes as much from the process as the final image, get a Leica. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianv Posted September 23, 2012 Share #46 Posted September 23, 2012 You can't take photos of kids parties with an M so use the DSLR. Job done, end of. ? Does that mean that Leica does not allow people to use their Leica's at Kid's Parties, or that some people just don't know how to use a Leica at a Kid's Party? skate1_nokton50_11 by anachronist1, on Flickr skate2_nokton_f11 by anachronist1, on Flickr I can't think of a better camera to use at a Kid's Party. And I have a lot of cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kasper Posted September 23, 2012 Share #47 Posted September 23, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) A lot of strange and defensive reactions indeed. Everything is just simply a question of my skills? First of all, basically I don’t find focussing with the M very difficult. But a person who is moving very quickly front and backwards, while you are trying to catch him close! with a 90 mm at 2,8 or 4,0 is very, very hard to do. Also a 50 is not easy than. I think it’s a matter of honesty to agree on that. Further I don’ see how a wider experience could give the M9 a faster buffer, better high ISO, a sharper LCD screen, and a larger dynamic range. In the meantime I read here and there something about the M. What I discovered in my comparison to the Canon, is almost the same as what professional testers say, I think. Erwin Puts for example writes that the noise and dynamic range above 1250 is not that good anymore. Others agree on the speed and LCD screen. What is wrong to discover it myself? Still I wrote that I’m going to keep the M9. That is because of the IQ, which is much better than what the Canon gives, generally. I only think that the M is limited when it comes to fast shooting, and low light. Perhaps that is the reason why none of the press photographers, when I see them on tele, do use the Leica M? For what I am going to use it for, I do hope that it will bring me a lot of pleasure. Thank you, and best regards, Kasper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2012 Share #48 Posted September 23, 2012 You missed my post? It is not hard to focus on somebody moving towards you, it is simply a matter of technique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianv Posted September 23, 2012 Share #49 Posted September 23, 2012 C-Sonnar 50/1.5, wide-open on the Leica M8 by anachronist1, on Flickr CZJ Sonnar 5cm F1.5, at f4 on the Leica M8 by anachronist1, on Flickr I had a more difficult time with an AF SLR camera missing shots like this. Switched over to Nikon RF's about 14 years ago. Then to Leica Digital RF's about 3 years ago. Using an RF for moving subjects is a matter of wanting to do and practicing a little bit. It is just not very hard to learn and do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted September 23, 2012 Share #50 Posted September 23, 2012 Kasper, a comparison with press photography of the kind you see on television only holds if that is the way you work: trying to get a headshot from 10 meter distance in a crowd of other press photographers. Don't bring an M in that case. Leica bad in low light? Depends on many factors. Here's a picture taken at a light level below an EV of 1 or just 5 Lux, handheld. That's about as dark as a landscape with the full moon overhead and no other light sources. 365 PhotoBlog Lindolfi My Canon 5DII AF system would have focussed on the iphone. It does not "understand" how I saw the final image. Hope you find some great photographic moments and do show us some of your results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Helm Posted September 23, 2012 Share #51 Posted September 23, 2012 There is a lot a Leica is not good at, apparently it is half as good as the competition, to double price. But once you experience that Leica glass has vastly reduced flare, and thus cleaner colors and deeper contrasty shadows, you will learn to appreciate it. Especially in backlighted scenes. Years ago I asked the same question as yours in a professional shop, and the salesman said: 'Well, we lend it out to potential buyers'. 'Oh, do you get them back?' 'No, but the customers do pay for them' In those days Leica was popular among fashion photographers. I asked two women, both models, why? 'They say: because the colors are vastly better' was the answer. You will discover that for yourself. But for childrens birthdays, I use my Dlux 5. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2012 Share #52 Posted September 23, 2012 Three advantages of the rangefinder here. 1. it knows where to focus because you know where you want it to focus 2. it lets you position your moving subject because you can see it coming from outside the frame 3. it allows you to catch the exact moment because of the directness. M8, Summilux 75 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Do keep your M9, but don't be blinded by the convenience of the DSLR. The M9 excels at quite a few things more than you hink. For instance high ISO. The 5D appears a lot smoother, but that is because the factory has built in very good software. In reality the basic sensor is noisier. Leica outputs a file that has hardly be reworked leaving it to the skills of the user. In reality there is not much between the cameras. At well-processed 2500 I(O 9aka 3200 on Canon) the Canon will be a bit smoother, the Leica will have a bit better color and more detail. Provided you get the exposure right. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/130720-leica-m8-m8-2-m9-m9p.html#post1561512 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Do keep your M9, but don't be blinded by the convenience of the DSLR. The M9 excels at quite a few things more than you hink. For instance high ISO. The 5D appears a lot smoother, but that is because the factory has built in very good software. In reality the basic sensor is noisier. Leica outputs a file that has hardly be reworked leaving it to the skills of the user. In reality there is not much between the cameras. At well-processed 2500 I(O 9aka 3200 on Canon) the Canon will be a bit smoother, the Leica will have a bit better color and more detail. Provided you get the exposure right. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/130720-leica-m8-m8-2-m9-m9p.html#post1561512 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/188369-leicas-advantage/?do=findComment&comment=2122326'>More sharing options...
Guest MarcRF Posted September 23, 2012 Share #53 Posted September 23, 2012 A lot of strange and defensive reactions indeed. Everything is just simply a question of my skills? First of all, basically I don’t find focussing with the M very difficult. But a person who is moving very quickly front and backwards, while you are trying to catch him close! with a 90 mm at 2,8 or 4,0 is very, very hard to do. Also a 50 is not easy than. I think it’s a matter of honesty to agree on that. Further I don’ see how a wider experience could give the M9 a faster buffer, better high ISO, a sharper LCD screen, and a larger dynamic range. In the meantime I read here and there something about the M. What I discovered in my comparison to the Canon, is almost the same as what professional testers say, I think. Erwin Puts for example writes that the noise and dynamic range above 1250 is not that good anymore. Others agree on the speed and LCD screen. What is wrong to discover it myself? Still I wrote that I’m going to keep the M9. That is because of the IQ, which is much better than what the Canon gives, generally. I only think that the M is limited when it comes to fast shooting, and low light. Perhaps that is the reason why none of the press photographers, when I see them on tele, do use the Leica M? For what I am going to use it for, I do hope that it will bring me a lot of pleasure. Thank you, and best regards, Kasper. you should have expected those defensive behaviour its not a question of your skills. i'm still quite new to photography and decided to go that way. you dont need to be good to use a leica. you'll have to do a little more trial & error to get what you want and invest more time but you'll get better at anything else... I try to use my m6 for everything actually... even some action. if you use it for something it's bad for and succeed its an even better feeling when you get the negatives and see that you rocked the scene DSLR seem more simple but its actually more complicated than anything imo. most of the times it does what you want it to do but e.g. in that pic some posts above of the kid with the iphone... guess how much tries you would have needed with a dslr for that shot having both worlds seems fair but I think a good compact camera or another small system like fuji/nex/m43 would fit better simply due to the size there are pros and cons one sees immediatly but you have to experience it over a certain time to fully appreciate it I think you're doing the right thing but please dont leave your M9 at home when you carry your dslr.. it's something that has to be used rather than left alone Enjoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted September 23, 2012 Share #54 Posted September 23, 2012 To the guys suggesting that one of the key advantages of the Leica M over an AF SLR is the fact that the photographer rather than the camera decides the point of focus: you do realize that you can disable multi-focus points on a Canon/Nikon, separate AF from the shutter release, and tell these cameras exactly where you want them to focus? Somebody is also suggesting that the "colours are better" because Leica lenses are less prone to flare. That may be true of the latest designs, but some of the most loved lenses (including the current, non-aspherical, 50 Summicron) are notoriously flare prone. I think it actually adds to their charm. There are no cameras I've enjoyed using more than Leicas, but the appeal primarily comes from the viewfinder, the feel of the body (largely lost in the transition to digital), the beautiful shutter release (again, lost in a digital M), and the way the lenses render (and this has precious little to do with a supposed lack of flare). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2012 Share #55 Posted September 23, 2012 How are you going to find the time to tell the camera where to focus with a jumping Dolphin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted September 23, 2012 Share #56 Posted September 23, 2012 I sold my Canon 5 II after 16 months, which I bought because I longed back to the character of some R lenses like the simple underrated 135mm for instance. If I were a professional I would not have sold it. With R lenses on a Canon I did not see more IQ on my M9. But the discussion AF vs. MF is slightly different from Canon vs Leica. And so is the discussion about IQ from zoom vs. fixed length lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted September 23, 2012 Share #57 Posted September 23, 2012 How are you going to find the time to tell the camera where to focus with a jumping Dolphin? And why exactly would an AF SLR have less "time" to find the appropriate focus point for a "jumping dolphin" than a rangefinder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 23, 2012 Share #58 Posted September 23, 2012 A lot of strange and defensive reactions indeed. Everything is just simply a question of my skills? . Yes , I think it has to do with skills. When a child begins with cycling it still has four wheels on the bike. It's a perfect way a to cycle until the child sees, that others can do without the extra wheels. It wants to learn to cycle on two wheels because it senses, that it will give more freedom. It will not go faster in the beginning without the side-wheels and it will come at the same place than with the four wheels, but once the child is capable to cycle without these aids it will enjoy the cycling more. It can learn to take curves which were impossible before. But... it will fall endless times. It will have pain. And still it wants to learn, because it senses that skills are relevant and important to come further. If you keep the M9 . Take a lot of time to learn to cycle with it and fall down al lot. Learn to know the camera and in the end you will enjoy it. And if you need help, just like the child does when it learns to ride the bike, don't talk or reason about it, but take lessons....there is a great art-school in Antwerp where they teach you to photograph in a way , where you can learn to master the craft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carduelis Posted September 23, 2012 Share #59 Posted September 23, 2012 Kasper, I currently don't own a Leica camera, but have been drawn to Leica by the compact size and wonderful quality of their M lenses which I use on my Ricoh GXR. I can carry this system around with me discretely in the pockets of my coat and can take very sharp and colourful images with it and as a result I am actually carrying out much more photography. My bulky and heavy Canon 5D and L zoom lenses are hardly being used now and when I went on a recent holiday I spent 95% of the time using the Ricoh and Leica lenses. I find it more enjoyable to use deciding on which lens to use and then carefully manually focusing the lens rather than allowing the zoom and the AF do all the work on a pretty instrusive digital SLR. I am now wondering whether to trade in my Canon equipment to buy a full frame M9 because I have lost interest in it. For my interests in photography relating to more static subjects such as landscapes, buildings and occasional portraiture, I think the switch will be worth it. However for more dynamic photography requiring quick/accurate AF and possibly longer reach, I concede the situation woud be different. If I was still taking pictures of wildlife, I would not buy a Leica camera and would still use a digital SLR with AF, image stabilisation etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted September 23, 2012 Share #60 Posted September 23, 2012 I think you would be silly to get rid of your dSLR. It takes practice to use a Leica to it's full potential and it also takes sometime to get the confidence to use it solely. Once you are comfortable with it you will find your photography improve. You will feel the moment and take one rather than rattle off a hundred and then pick later. Enjoy your Canon in the meantime but keep practicing with the Leica. it really will reward you if you do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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