Rick Posted September 18, 2012 Share #1 Posted September 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am looking forward to live view very much. I was wondering if others are thinking about what lenses they are going to be excited to now be able to use now that they can have accurate focus for a host of new lens options. Also, live view allows R lenses to work as well. Here goes; the first lens I want to try on my M is going to be the 50mm Dual Range I purchased 6 months ago to use on the new M with live view. The advantage is that this lens focuses closer than any other Leica lens. The range finder decouples at .7 m normally making this lens only useful to that close distance without goggles. But, with live view, I will be able to focus down to about 19-23 inches I believe. This lens should be in great demand now. Anybody else starting to think about new avenues for lenses on the new M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Hi Rick, Take a look here Live View opens new avenues for M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
k-hawinkler Posted September 18, 2012 Share #2 Posted September 18, 2012 Hi Rick, Here is my short list: APO-Telyt-R 1:4/280 APO-Telyt-R 1:3.4/180 Noct-Nikkor 1:1.2/58 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted September 18, 2012 Yes, the APO Telyt-R 280/f4 is on my list as well. Also, my 90 macro without having to use the optical range finder should be easier to use up close. I wonder if an adapter can be made for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 18, 2012 Share #4 Posted September 18, 2012 Here goes; the first lens I want to try on my M is going to be the 50mm Dual Range I purchased 6 months ago to use on the new M with live view. The advantage is that this lens focuses closer than any other Leica lens. The range finder decouples at .7 m normally making this lens only useful to that close distance without goggles. But, with live view, I will be able to focus down to about 19-23 inches I believe. This lens should be in great demand now. Giving new life to a lens from 1950's illustrates another way in which the new M fits in with Leica history and philosophy. Live view is the new goggles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 18, 2012 Share #5 Posted September 18, 2012 Anybody else starting to think about new avenues for lenses on the new M? It's such an exciting and WIDE range of possibilities that it's even difficult to think of all of them... Well ... I haven't ever had R items (apart, for odd reasons, the "modest" Vario 28-70 Sigma-made... note, without ANY R body to mount it on... ), but I already think that, after all, I could have avoided to have made a custom-built Visoflex ring for my Telyt-S 800... (luckily, it's a reversible modification). And... what about the legendary Macro Elmarit 100 ? And... I'd bet that some 3rd party will surely make some tube with the depth of the Visoflex (I and II/III) : there are not so many TZOON around... And... What about the Elmar 65 with OTZFO ? Too short to focus...but with the OTRPO in the middle....? And... how will be using liveview with a THAMBAR with spot filter on ? Will one have control on the soft effect ? Side effect : the value of our Visoflexes... will DROP... and few work for Will Van Manen to adjust them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doolittle Posted September 18, 2012 Share #6 Posted September 18, 2012 Will take a lot of the guess work out of using ND Grads, like the Lee RF75 system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted September 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) luigi, I know you are going to kill me for what I am going to tell you... 6 months ago I had DAG machine the second focus ring off my 50 mm dual-range so, it would continue to focus on my M9 after it decouples at near (without goggles). Somewhat useless on the M9 (no rangefinder coupling) and totally ruining it for use with the goggles and making it of no value to a collector. But, I knew it would work brilliantly on the soon to come M with live view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 18, 2012 Share #8 Posted September 18, 2012 A standard DR 50 Summicron won't mount properly on an M8 or 9, and binds in my MP. Best not try it on a new M, but might be different with the goggles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted September 18, 2012 Share #9 Posted September 18, 2012 It certainly makes life easier compared to using the old Visoflex. On the other hand, critical focussing with a display or EVF that has a lower resolution than the sensor is only possible by magnifying the image. And that takes time, and loss of overview. So it is not ideal for working fast. Unless the red line indication of correct focus appears to work well. In that case you don't have to magnify. My set of Leitz Photars may be used more often on a Leica body with that LiveView option. Another advantage of LiveView is that calibration of the optical rangefinder is much easier. For the rest, fast photography in the street, it my well be that that old optical rangefinder is hard te beat. Besides, isn't it always a pleasure to see that true unpixeled image through the finder and see the overlap window come into crisp contrast when focus is achieved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 18, 2012 Share #10 Posted September 18, 2012 It's such an exciting and WIDE range of possibilities that it's even difficult to think of all of them... Well ... I haven't ever had R items (apart, for odd reasons, the "modest" Vario 28-70 Sigma-made... note, without ANY R body to mount it on... ), but I already think that, after all, I could have avoided to have made a custom-built Visoflex ring for my Telyt-S 800... (luckily, it's a reversible modification).And... what about the legendary Macro Elmarit 100 ? And... I'd bet that some 3rd party will surely make some tube with the depth of the Visoflex (I and II/III) : there are not so many TZOON around... And... What about the Elmar 65 with OTZFO ? Too short to focus...but with the OTRPO in the middle....? And... how will be using liveview with a THAMBAR with spot filter on ? Will one have control on the soft effect ? Side effect : the value of our Visoflexes... will DROP Leitz 14127 adapter + Fotodiox LR-LM adapter or Leitz 14167 adapter + Fotodiox LR-LM adapter. That should work, shouldn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 18, 2012 Share #11 Posted September 18, 2012 luigi, I know you are going to kill me for what I am going to tell you... 6 months ago I had DAG machine the second focus ring off my 50 mm dual-range so, it would continue to focus on my M9 after it decouples at near (without goggles). Somewhat useless on the M9 (no rangefinder coupling) and totally ruining it for use with the goggles and making it of no value to a collector. But, I knew it would work brilliantly on the soon to come M with live view. DEFINITELY INDECENT (well, it's YOUR DR, after all... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted September 18, 2012 Share #12 Posted September 18, 2012 So, for the M-Monochrom that should arrive soon, should I have my DR-Summicron milled down or not? —Mitch/Paris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 18, 2012 Share #13 Posted September 18, 2012 Leitz 14127 adapter + Fotodiox LR-LM adapter or Leitz 14167 adapter + Fotodiox LR-LM adapter. That should work, shouldn't it? Uh... let me think... they are for M lenses on R, right ? Not infinity focusing on R... hmm... I was thinking of how to put a Visoflex lens straight on a M, with normal focus range (this was the role of the TZOON - "long" as a Viso I)... another matter I seem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share #14 Posted September 18, 2012 So, for the M-Monochrom that should arrive soon, should I have my DR-Summicron milled down or not? —Mitch/Paris Your MM does not have LV so, milling down your DR will not have the benefit of gaining near focus without goggles. But, it would fit on your MM and work fine down to .7 m without binding. The closer range would work as far as you would be able to turn the focus ring on the lens now to very near focus but, of course, it would not be coupled in the RF. I got the idea from my WATE that focuses closer than .7 m but , when it reaches this near range it decouples from the RF. On the M9 I have to use the distance markings on the lens with my WATE and my machined DR. Hope this helps. Now, with LV we can use these lenses and have a way to visually confirm focus, much expanding the usefulness of several lenses in this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 18, 2012 Share #15 Posted September 18, 2012 Uh... let me think... they are for M lenses on R, right ? Not infinity focusing on R... hmm... I was thinking of how to put a Visoflex lens straight on a M, with normal focus range (this was the role of the TZOON - "long" as a Viso I)... another matter I seem... Aren't we talking about Visoflex lenses or Leitz M-lens heads in short mount? Typically, once I have put a Leitz 14127 adapter on a V-lens I have turned it into an R-lens. Then I use an R - Sony E adapter and can focus to ∞ on a NEX camera. So, if I swap the R-E adapter for an R-M adapter then I should be able to focus on the M to ∞. So, I would have: M camera + M-R adapter + R-V=14127 adapter + V-lens, right? An example of such a use of the 14127, namely NEX-7 + E-R Adapter + APO-Extender-R 2x + 14127 + 16464 + Tele-Elmar 1:4/135 lens head: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2179931-post8.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 18, 2012 Share #16 Posted September 18, 2012 So, for the M-Monochrom that should arrive soon, should I have my DR-Summicron milled down or not? —Mitch/Paris I think not... or, better, buy a new Summicron Apo Asph and find someone who modifies it to act as a DR... using the same goggles to spare some money... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted September 18, 2012 Share #17 Posted September 18, 2012 Yes, the APO Telyt-R 280/f4 is on my list as well. ... It was in 2008 or so, when I saw the Apo-Telyt-R 280/4 in the window of a small shop, which sells second hand Leica gear. The price was reasonably low, though it rested there for months and years. I even told people in this forum about it, though it still staid there. One day it was gone. I never saw one anywhere again. I think it's a very, very rare lens now. My idea is, that Leica produces some of the famous R-telphoto lenses new with M-mount. Live view should allow to use them on a M-body - with tripod (if not all the Live-view talk is not worth it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 18, 2012 Share #18 Posted September 18, 2012 I don't have one of these but I'd like to try the Zeiss 50/0.7 that was built for NASA and used by Stanley Kubrick to film candle-lit scenes in Barry Lyndon. I expect that LiveView and focus peaking would come in handy with this lens wide open. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 18, 2012 Share #19 Posted September 18, 2012 Aren't we talking about Visoflex lenses or Leitz M-lens heads in short mount? Typically, once I have put a Leitz 14127 adapter on a V-lens I have turned it into an R-lens. Then I use an R - Sony E adapter and can focus to ∞ on a NEX camera. So, if I swap the R-E adapter for an R-M adapter then I should be able to focus on the M to ∞. So, I would have: M camera + M-R adapter + R-V=14127 adapter + V-lens, right? An example of such a use of the 14127: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2179931-post8.html Gosh... yes, you're right... too late night to have clear mind... .... I even have one 14127 (with f stop ring) that found on my Telyt V 400 6,8, but not having any R body I tend to forget it... So... OK for Viso II/III lenses... of course with the R adapter... and for the Viso I lenses there is simply the OUBIO to add in the middle... Anyway... some simple and single 3rd party tube would be welcome... One of my lenses I will try first will surely be the Elmarit 180 for Viso... it's so compact (though heavy) that is a pity to have to use the Visoflex... you lose a lot of "potential" manageability... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 18, 2012 Share #20 Posted September 18, 2012 .... My idea is, that Leica produces some of the famous R-telphoto lenses new with M-mount. Live view should allow to use them on a M-body - with tripod (if not all the Live-view talk is not worth it). Me too thought of this...why not ? They aren't old designs and probably glass elements can still be sourced... prices were a lot high even at their times (and are still high in the user market) so the biz could have some economics into... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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