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andybarton

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Well it depends what sensor he is referring? :-)

In other words, yes if the M9/M9P sensor fails, it will b ereplaced with a M-E sensor :D

Which should be the same, at least that is what everyone so far says...or is there a small (but very unlikely) chance that the M-E does have a similar, but still different sensor than the M9/M9P???

 

 

The sensor in the M-E is the same as the M9/M9P sensor, so a failed M-E/M9/M9P sensor will be replaced by the same Truesense unit.

 

The sensor from the M cannot be put into these other cameras.

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Hopefully, nothing. People love the images from the M9, so it will be a win for Leica if they're able to replicate the same image quality with the new CMOS sensor and Maestro engine. I'm not wishing for better, just not worse.
I would think that that there is every reason to believe that the new M will produce as good or better image quality than the M9. Indeed, the M9 is not that great at color accuracy, although users can coax very good color with good processing. My experience is that the Ricoh GXR M-Module, with it's CMOS sensor (and micro-lenses) has better color accuracy than the M9 and is very "transparent" in terms of rendering the look of the lenses used. I would not expect anything less from Leica's implementation of the CMOS sensor in the new M camera.

 

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Does anybody know, in real life situations, how much bigger a file the M will yield over the M9. What I mean to say is that, yes, we all know it's gone from 18MP to 24MP, but will our workflow be SLOW because of the added HEFTY image files?

Thanks,

Mark

p.s I have an older MacBook pro (4years old)

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Does anybody know, in real life situations, how much bigger a file the M will yield over the M9. What I mean to say is that, yes, we all know it's gone from 18MP to 24MP, but will our workflow be SLOW because of the added HEFTY image files?

Thanks,

Mark

p.s I have an older MacBook pro (4years old)

 

going from 18-24 MP with a 4 year old computer you might feel a change. I doubt it will be much though.

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Does anybody know, in real life situations, how much bigger a file the M will yield over the M9. What I mean to say is that, yes, we all know it's gone from 18MP to 24MP, but will our workflow be SLOW because of the added HEFTY image files?

Thanks,

Mark

p.s I have an older MacBook pro (4years old)

 

It will be much faster than dealing with D800 files.

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I think the new M sounds fantastic. I will be getting one. I do have some thoughts though.

 

Sensor:

- I was sad to hear that they did not extend the base iso to 100, and instead it is a pull option. Having a 1/4000 shutter and base iso as 200 means I'll have to use ND filters more.

- I am very interested to see the ISO 3200 and 6400 performance of the camera. A modern full frame CMOS sensor should be able to do well indeed. My assumption is that ISO 6400 should be better than ISO 2500 on the m9. Of course, the implication is that the 6400 option is probably not that usable, else they would have enable 12800 or higher.

 

Framelines:

- I have heard the framelines still show up in pairs according to the flange. I feel like there should be a frameline setup option in the menu to customize which framelines show up with specific lenses, since it is an LED projection and no longer mechanical. Thus you can disable an unused frameline entirely for a clearer view. Theoretically it might be able to project wider framelines into the viewfinder as well (24mm, for instance). Also, being able to customize the frameline view would allow you to create custom pairs.. for instance, if I have my 35mm and 75mm lenses on me, I could set up the viewfinder to show those two framelines. That way I wouldn't have to mourn the disappearance of the frameline selector - the viewfinder is already showing me the other lens I have with me. Being able to customize the shape of the frameline too would be amazing (for instance, finally getting a decent looking 75mm frameline). I would also most prefer an option to only show the frameline based on 6 bit coding info. I think this all should be in a viewfinder setup mode in the menu! It seems like a missed opportunity to only show what any M has always shown. And if it was user customizable, you could just leave it at default if you wanted.

- Apparently the framelines are optimized for 2m. Since they are LED projected, why hasn't Leica given an option to optimize for focus distance? The focus arm can clearly read when the camera is being focused, and also when the camera hits infinity. I read that there is a focus assist mode that can turn peaking on once the focus ring is turned.. I think they should take more advantage of this input!

 

EVF:

- I think this is a great extra option. I will use it for wide M lenses for sure, as well as a Macro. Keep in mind that you won't only have to use M or R lenses... they already make adapters for other systems to mount to an M camera.. you can use almost any full frame glass on your M now, via adapters and the Live View. I'm thinking of some fantastic OM and F Mount lenses that have no Leica equivalent. This option to me makes the Leica M an extremely versatile system and probably the only serious camera system that I will need.

- I think Leica should build in a shoe lock into the EVF. It should lock in the down position as well. I haven't yet found a system that would allow the external evf to both be locked to the shoe, and locked in its resting position. Leica should do both!

- Leica hasn't commented on the weather sealing of the evf. Is the port only sealed with a shoe cap? Is it sealed with the EVF on?

- Does the focus button only activate magnification? Can I set it to only trigger peaking? Or does it have to toggle through these modes?

- The focus button in OVF mode activates exposure compensation on the dial.. how is this done with the EVF? I've heard you have to hold the button down and turn the dial in order to activate exposure compensation, but I'd like someone to confirm.

- I'd love to see the focus peaking color and sensitivity be user configurable. It seems right now it's either an on/off thing, and its always in red.

 

Movies:

- I'd like to know more about the codecs. Currently they say Motion Jpg and Quicktime.. but Quicktime is a wrapper format.. what is the specific codec through Quicktime? I'd love to see h.264, as Motion Jpg is a very inefficient video format. No info yet on bitrate either. Because of this I'm under the assumption that the movie mode is a toy and an afterthought.

-It's a pity that the multifunction handgrip did not include an HDMI port, especially with a clean output. That would have allowed this camera to be a much better video option.

-In my opinion movie mode should have been activated by the mode selector.. either one before or one after self-timer, and movies activated by the shutter button. I don't find movies should be an on demand, always at the ready type thing... so the extra button seems unnecessary to me.

 

Other:

- I would have love to have used the finger loops without the grip. It seems like it would make more sense for either or, not both in my opinion.

- Would have liked to have seen the M get smaller and lighter, rather than slightly bigger and heavier. You can't have everything I guess.

- So glad to see Steel grey go away. Chrome all the way!

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cookedart

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The frame lines in the M are NOT LED projections. They are the same as every other M but just illuminated by an LED rather than via the fresnel window.

 

Ah right, you are correct.. for some reason I assumed this since the color of the framelines are selectable, and the fact that you cannot see the framelines when the camera is off.

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I still think the RD-1 is the truest digital M to date. Too bad we never saw an RD-2.

 

Technically, there were three RD-cameras. The RD-1, the RD-1s, and the RD-1x which came out only a couple of years ago. It lost the swivel screen but still had a 6mp sensor. Prices on the RD-1x have come down a lot, and I think they are being sold off at a much reduced rate in Japan.

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I still think the RD-1 is the truest digital M to date.

 

Sorry, I do not understand that. What makes in your eyes the RD-1 "more" or "truer" digital than - say - the M8? Both are lovely cameras and I sold both for my shortcomings in using them. I now own another camera which is not more or less "truly" digital than either.

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