OwinThomas Posted September 17, 2012 Share #61 Posted September 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I hope people are happy and with no more complaining now (except for pricing ) HA in your dreams ... This'll just open up a whole new can of worms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 Hi OwinThomas, Take a look here Announcements, no video..?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
roydonian Posted September 18, 2012 Share #62 Posted September 18, 2012 Made it back from the hospital in time to take a first look at the new products just before a late lunch. As I suspected and predicted, the M line has split between ‘traditional’ (ME) and ‘new technology’ (M) models. This allows the company to meet the expectations of the traditionalist user as well as those who have hankered after higher ISO, live view, weather sealing, et al. What will be interesting to see is how future sales will split between the two models, both in the short term and in the longer term. Will the traditionalists stick to their preference for a relatively simple camera or will they succumb to the lure of those new features? Will those who wanted new features be happy with the thicker and more cluttered body design? I’d love to know what Leica’s own prediction of the future market split is. Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 18, 2012 Share #63 Posted September 18, 2012 Reminds the split between Summarits and regular lenses somehow. Not sure that i would choose an M-E with lack of frame lever and strange grey paint coating whilst mint M9s can be had for less on the s/h market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 18, 2012 Share #64 Posted September 18, 2012 The amount of bleating going on in various threads is disappointing if predictable. What on earth did they expect Leica to come up with? Perhaps they were looking for a straight M9 successor with 36 MP. Well I doubt the ability of the optical RF to cope with that pixel density for anyone over the age of 20 and then only when the RF is perfectly matched to that lens. Sure it could be seen to be a little unfortunate that Leica had to increase the body size again and the EVF is not minuscule but then to accommodate the size of screen it could not be tiny. With the EVF fitted, it is certainly still considerably smaller than my M9 + Visoflex. If they feel that it is not traditional enough for them, I am sure it will not be long before the M-E is available in other finishes. I am not sure if I can afford an M at present but as and when I can, I shall almost certainly go for one, as long as the IQ comes up to scratch. If it still has the slightly muzzy results of a typical CMOS sensor, with less than real colour reproduction, it will only then be seen if Leica has made a mistake but maybe this is correctable in firmware. There are very occasional times when I would find the video useful but the ability to use longer lenses, without a Visoflex, is the main attraction for me. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 18, 2012 Share #65 Posted September 18, 2012 Made it back from the hospital in time to take a first look at the new products just before a late lunch. As I suspected and predicted, the M line has split between ‘traditional’ (ME) and ‘new technology’ (M) models. This allows the company to meet the expectations of the traditionalist user as well as those who have hankered after higher ISO, live view, weather sealing, et al. What will be interesting to see is how future sales will split between the two models, both in the short term and in the longer term. Will the traditionalists stick to their preference for a relatively simple camera or will they succumb to the lure of those new features? Will those who wanted new features be happy with the thicker and more cluttered body design? I’d love to know what Leica’s own prediction of the future market split is. Best regards, Doug The point about any new features is that you don't have to use them. Don't want an EVF? Don't buy one. Don't want video? Don't push the button and if you do by mistake, just take photos anyway if you want to. Don't want GPS? Don't buy the special base plate Don't want live view? Don't turn it on Don't want to pay a premium for features you will never use? You don't have to. The price is cheaper than anyone expected. I am beginning to spin like a fan-boy, but I have mixed feelings about some of the other products announced yesterday. But this M really is what a lot of people have been waiting for, and I for or can't see any downsides at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted September 18, 2012 Share #66 Posted September 18, 2012 Had Leica launched only the M, these points would be very valid – the user would have been getting extra features that he may or many not want, but at no extra cost other than losing the frame-selector lever. That’s quite an engineering achievement for the Solms designers. But the arrival of the M-E model gives the buyer who doesn’t want these extras a less expensive camera. It’s a ‘win-win’ situation for Leica. They have got both potential markets covered. And anything that makes the cost of Leica ownership cheaper for those who are thinking about a first digital Leica must be on the side of the angels. What I’m going to find really exciting is seeing how the user community reacts to the choice. In what way will Leica photography and the Leica user community evolve? These could be the most interesting days since the launch of the M3. Were I fifty years younger, I might have opted for maximum features and gone to bed dreaming of the day when I would own an M. But the old codger whose 70th birthday is rapidly approaching is prepared to trade features for elegance and simplicity, so would find the M-E a better choice. (In practice, of course, I’m hoping that my M9-P will “see me off the planet”.) Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 18, 2012 Share #67 Posted September 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) The ME has a new shutter: "Closed type focal plane shutter for classic image exposure, with external cocking mechanics." I don't know what that means. Can you explain? Horizontal or vertical? Some other difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted September 25, 2012 Share #68 Posted September 25, 2012 Finally a decent piece of reportage about the event last week. To be honest, being home for the day and being able to wait for the bits and pieces floating in from Twitter, LUF members, and the LUF page, I had no idea this is what it looked like. Note to self: You will be going to Photokina in two years! As verified by my wife who recognized the photo of Seal, while over my shoulder this morning. She still remembers meeting him at the M9 event in New York which we were invited to. Inside an Exclusive Leica Launch Party Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 25, 2012 Share #69 Posted September 25, 2012 Modesty prevented me from posting a link to that report. There's several famous people in the shots in the report, as well as Seal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted September 25, 2012 Share #70 Posted September 25, 2012 Modesty prevented me from posting a link to that report. There's several famous people in the shots in the report, as well as Seal Andy, I thought that was you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 25, 2012 Share #71 Posted September 25, 2012 I'm the one with the guitar... Brian spylaw4 and Ivor from reddot are there too, plus Andreas of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted September 26, 2012 Share #72 Posted September 26, 2012 OK - this looks good, Leica seems to have confidence & guts - that is what they should have because they deserve it. Sometimes believing against all odds works, snake oil whatever. That they still exist at all is a major miracle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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