pico Posted August 23, 2012 Share #1 Posted August 23, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) So far I have not seen this feature on a group - a small banner that shows international time clocks. While some of us are asleep, others are wide-awake. While I have morning coffee, another is into his cups. Might it be cool to have a little banner of clocks below the banner? How easy it is for me to suggest it. Yes. I know it is yet another burden for our cherished and talented webMeister. And with that, I retire at 24:54. Peace, Pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 Hi pico, Take a look here Show Global Time?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
NZDavid Posted August 23, 2012 Share #2 Posted August 23, 2012 If you have a Mac, check out HourWorld World Clock - Sun Time at a Glance. It's an excellent program. Not only does it tell you current times around the world, it also tells you sunset and sunrise times, the moon calendar and all sorts of other information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted August 23, 2012 Share #3 Posted August 23, 2012 It would be a weird clock that showed 24:54, do you manage 25 hr days? Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil U Posted August 23, 2012 Share #4 Posted August 23, 2012 It would be a weird clock that showed 24:54, do you manage 25 hr days? Gerry My boss seems to think I should! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted August 23, 2012 It would be a weird clock that showed 24:54, do you manage 25 hr days? Gerry I have discovered how to live longer - sleep less! The downside is fatigue, and typos. Oh, when I worked my boss told me I should work half-days - whichever 12 hours I wished. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted August 23, 2012 Share #6 Posted August 23, 2012 I have a very nice watch, (Breitling) which was a 21st birthday present, and which I have worn most days ever since, when I got it there was an option for a 24 hour dial, i.e. the hour hand went round once each 24 hours, now that would have been confusing Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 23, 2012 Share #7 Posted August 23, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Gerry, Confusing because 12 midnight is traditionally @ the top on a 24 hour dial. A silly place to put it. There was a reason people decided 12 midnight should be in the dark of the night when many people were asleep. They made it that way so fewer people would be confused about whether the transition from 1 day to the next was happening yesterday, now or tomorrow. That's why currently: When many people go to sleep it is today. When they wake up it is tomorrow & today is yesterday. If you have a fixed 24 hour dial it is more reasonable to put 12 noon right @ the very top of that dial like the Sun is on 4 days of each year. Different style/color numbers 6 thru 18 than 19 to 5 would also be helpful. A different style/color again for 24 would also help. Perhaps an optional Blazing Sun @ 12 & a Crescent Moon @ 24. You could still have 60 minute divisions w/ 5 minute distinctions. No 12 hour hand is really necessary. Just minutes, seconds & 24 hours hands. This can all be done in a 1 time zone watch. If you wanted you could add a revolving Cities of the World bezel which would automatically tell you what the time is somewhere else. This Cities of the World dial could either be driven by the watch works or adjusted manually. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted August 23, 2012 Share #8 Posted August 23, 2012 Except it wouldn't tell you what day it is accurately. We've just been to Rarotonga and set our watch forward by two hours -- and changed the date to the day before as we hopped over the International Date Line and actually arrived before we left. Coming back we lost nearly a whole day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 23, 2012 Share #9 Posted August 23, 2012 Hello David, This, of course, is a problem. The solution requires a dual date calendar. 1 calendar continuously driven by the watch works which is set to where you currently are & the other actuated by a bezel which compensates for changes both forward & back. You would also need some type of keying device to know which of the World's Cities you were currently wanting to know the date in. I was suggesting a watch purposefully w/o a calendar, or perhaps w/ only 1, which can be set to where you are now, that has limitations but still does more than many other watches do & does so in a relatively simple, mechanically elegant manner. Like you do w/ a 12 hour dial watch today. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted August 24, 2012 Share #10 Posted August 24, 2012 Thanks Michael, there are some clever watch designs around -- dual face watch being popular with airlines. How about starting a new watch thread!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 24, 2012 Share #11 Posted August 24, 2012 Hello David, That's a nice idea. Altho I know more about old clocks than I do about current watches. Probably better to do this in Barnack's Bar than to do it here. I don't know much about computers so it might be good if you begin it. I would suggest a few pictures of modern day watches reflective of what we have been talking about. If you could find them somewhere in the computer. I don't know how to place things from somewhere else in the computer to here. Some illustrations might encourage some people's interest. I would suggest pictures of: Breguet 3137BA/11/986. Perhaps the nicest looking watch face ever made. A good watch on the inside also. Breguet 3700BA/12/9V6. A nice World Time watch. Patek 5131. Another nice World Time. Ulysse Nardin 320-60/60. A dual time, single date watch.12 Noon on top. For traditionalists an IWC 3227. That would probably do for a start. If I knew how to do this type of thing in a computer I would have done this a long time ago. There have been a number of Threads where 1 or the other was relevant. Or some other watch. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted August 24, 2012 Share #12 Posted August 24, 2012 As far as I remember, the Breitling 24hr watch still had midnight at the top. The British Navy in Napoleonic times used to start its day in the morning, at breakfast time I think. Raratonga to Auckland was an overnight flight according to the dim salesgirl in the agency, confused by the dateline Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 24, 2012 Share #13 Posted August 24, 2012 .............While some of us are asleep, others are wide-awake. ...................... Even when I'm awake I'm half asleep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 25, 2012 Share #14 Posted August 25, 2012 If you have a fixed 24 hour dial it is more reasonable to put 12 noon right @ the very top of that dial like the Sun is on 4 days of each year. Subject to daylight saving, isn't the Sun at its highest point in the sky at noon every day of the year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 25, 2012 Share #15 Posted August 25, 2012 No: The Sun and its Highest Point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 25, 2012 Share #16 Posted August 25, 2012 There is a difference between astronomical noon and the artificial noon of a particular time zone, which is a notional human construct. The Sun must be at its highest point at astronomical noon, by definition, surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 25, 2012 Share #17 Posted August 25, 2012 Astronomical noon, yes. However that coincides with local noon only four times a year. Assuming you define local time by your actual coordinates, not by time zone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted August 25, 2012 Share #18 Posted August 25, 2012 The Sun must be at its highest point at astronomical noon, by definition, surely. So it is. The NASA article mentioned by Jaap states this as well. The whole rest discusses the difference between the time as told by a clock and astronomical time as told by the sun and the stars. There will be no answer to the question of the most "natural" or "obvious" placement of the beginning of the day on the clock face which satisfies all. Obvious candidates are 12, 3, 6 or 9 o'clock positions as given by the current standard. One could even argue for 10 1/2 or 8 o'clock. It's, of course, arbitrary and a mere question of convention. It seems that the predominance of the 12 hour clock face over the 24 hour one was largely accidental and mostly determined by peer pressure in northern Italy (Florence or so, I believe). I remember reading an article in Scientific American several years ago which explored this very topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2012 Share #19 Posted August 25, 2012 ...It seems that the predominance of the 12 hour clock face over the 24 hour one was largely accidental and mostly determined by peer pressure in northern Italy (Florence or so, I believe). I remember reading an article in Scientific American several years ago which explored this very topic. So maybe Leonardo left Tuscany in order to escape the 12 hours non-stop working rules, that are still respected in Switzerland, so it seems ? He felt he was underperforming when comparing this to his own sleeping pattern. The little blue writing made me notice, that we have a new mod! Imo the wittiest and well-read forum member, who postes here, dedicates part of his time to our forum, from now on. For me this is good news. In former months mods were fast at closing threads, which made some forum members, who are missed here (for the sake of diversity) to quit. Maybe threads will be closed in future, as soon as more than half of the posts come from mods? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 25, 2012 Share #20 Posted August 25, 2012 Hello Everybody, Congratulations Philipp. Hello tri, Moderators have the right to be people also. A # of moderators having an interest in the same topic @ the same time & participating in a discussion as people, not as moderators, should NOT be considered in the same light as if they were acting as moderators. As to what should be done w/ Threads where a certain %age of Posts are by moderators acting as moderators: That is a separate topic not relevant to the situation here. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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