M. Valdemar Posted August 11, 2012 Share #21 Posted August 11, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) There is no brand name. Over a few months, I bought the cheapest ones I could find on eBay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hunghang Posted August 11, 2012 Share #22 Posted August 11, 2012 FUD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted August 11, 2012 Share #23 Posted August 11, 2012 On my M8 I tried DTSE batteries and one other bought reputedly identical from a non Leica dealer, one who I thought was an official dealer. They all performed okay from time to time, but often simply didn't hold very much charge, I gave up in the end and bought a genuine Leica Shame they are £70, but they work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted August 11, 2012 Share #24 Posted August 11, 2012 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/175076-non-leica-m9-battery-test.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelagia Posted August 11, 2012 Share #25 Posted August 11, 2012 If you have the chance of a battery failing at the wrong time, that wastes much more money than the $115 difference in battery prices. Thanks for the comment. If you read, this is exactly what I said. But in my P.S. I meant that the price of M9 feels fair to me, but not the price of the battery. I do not buy the statement that if I can afford the camera, then I am supposed to afford the battery at that price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 11, 2012 Share #26 Posted August 11, 2012 Thanks for the comment. If you read, this is exactly what I said. But in my P.S. I meant that the price of M9 feels fair to me, but not the price of the battery. I do not buy the statement that if I can afford the camera, then I am supposed to afford the battery at that price. I was saying that penny wise and pound foolish is not my philosophy regarding batteries. If I am going to save on Leica gear I would rather have a Zeiss lens or two each of which can save you around USD2000 or more versus each Leica lens instead of saving USD100 on each battery. Let's be clear, I am using your own words in this thread where you stated---"I can afford the camera, but not the battery at that price". If the price of the M9 at USD7000-USD8000 (!) seems affordable to you I find it hard to believe that a USD130 battery is unaffordable! Again penny wise and pound foolish. If ever something happens to your M9 while it is out of warranty, Leica could decide that the non-OEM battery caused something to fail and it would cost you thousands to get it repaired. Also if you are ever going to sell the M9 and someone knows you used non-OEM batteries you might loose the sale. You are just leaving yourself open to the potential for much more expenses down the road tomorrow than the USD100 you think you are saving today. Again, penny wise and pound foolish, I say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted August 13, 2012 Share #27 Posted August 13, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here's my story: two Leica batteries work fine, except they reach 22% remaining when the camera says low battery and shuts down, both batteries. I purchased a generic battery to test a generic charger, it worked well in the M9 but would not charge properly in the Leica charger. I drained the battery fully, charged it in the generic charger and now it would only read 8% in the M9, the camera would show low battery. Put aside for a few months I then made further attempts at charging and use, the chargers indicated full, the Leica charger was erratic with the battery still. Put into the M9 (8% readout) I got the low battery warning but the camera would make images despite the warning. A second full discharge and recharge and voila everything is working well, the Leica charger and battery are fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mctuomey Posted August 13, 2012 Share #28 Posted August 13, 2012 2 OEMs, 2 Pearstones. No issues with the latter over almost a year, although when new they required several discharge cycles before the camera read their status properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted August 14, 2012 Share #29 Posted August 14, 2012 As I've posted at other times, I rarely buy OEM batteries for my cameras. I've had a total of 5 OEM Leica batteries for my 4 M8's and 9's, but that was because one time early on I needed one quickly and couldn't wait for an out of country shipment. Batteries are technology, but they aren't rocket science. Li-Ion cells are easy to produce with the correct voltage, and with a bit higher quality control they can last more charge/discharge cycles. Newer technology produces greater energy density, on the whole. Since my original Leica batteries have now all faded into the sunset, I am only using 3rd party batteries. The info display accurately shows the power level, but I've not updated to the latest firmware. The batteries work, are reliable and I will buy them again if needed. I still have 4 from the last 10 pack that I bought. That 10 pack cost considerably less than my camera store was going to charge me for one OEM battery. Maybe the 3rd party batteries last less than the OEM ones, but if so it hasn't shown up in mine. OEM ones have died a terminal death on me and so have 3rd party ones in roughly the correct proportions based on numbers and usage. I also have 3rd party batteries for my 3 Canon cameras, for my Olympus OM-D, Panasonic GH2 and G3 and various other cameras my wife, my son and his family and I have. As I had for previous cameras. This has nothing to do with 'can you afford a $7000 camera? Then you can afford a $175 battery!'. It has to do with buying a battery that has $2 worth of guts, and an unwillingness to allow various middlemen to have a profit margin of more than 500%. I understand fully why Leica charges the prices it does for it's lenses, cameras and accessories. With respect to the first two; I can't get those specifications and that kind of quality anywhere else. With respect to accessories, I have options. It's nice that Leica makes a lot of money on those accessories, just as it makes a lot of money on special editions. I just don't feel it's up to me to support that end of their business. Note: I generally charge all batteries in a Delkin dual charger if Delkin makes plates for them. The Leica compact charger seems more finicky, both with OEM and 3rd party batteries. Henning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 14, 2012 Share #30 Posted August 14, 2012 @henning Thanks for your input. Do you use these Delkin chargers for Leica and non-Leica M9 type batteries? If they are dual chargers, this can be very interesting. I love my dual charger for my Phase One batteries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted August 14, 2012 Share #31 Posted August 14, 2012 @henning Thanks for your input. Do you use these Delkin chargers for Leica and non-Leica M9 type batteries? If they are dual chargers, this can be very interesting. I love my dual charger for my Phase One batteries. Yes, I use them for Canon and for Leica batteries, sometimes at the same time. I find that when I use this charger I get a full charge more consistently than when I use the compact Leica charger, whether the batteries were OEM or 3rd party. I've never had that issue with the old, large, clunky M8 charger. For the Canon batteries it's just handy because I only have to carry one charger as I have two types of batteries and also because for the 7D/5DMkII batteries third party batteries can't be charged in the Canon charger and OEM batteries can't be charged fully in the 3rd party charger. So the Delkin is the best solution for me. And it does 2 batteries at once. Henning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikonJeff Posted August 14, 2012 Share #32 Posted August 14, 2012 2 OEMs, 2 Pearstones. No issues with the latter over almost a year, although when new they required several discharge cycles before the camera read their status properly. This is exactly what I've encountered with Adorama's Flashpoint batteries for the M. I bought two of them last year for $30/ea when I jumped into an M8 body and they worked very well. This year I purchased a brand new M9 and bought another two Flashpoint batteries on a special deal for $15/ea and they are working very well and show up properly in the battery meter. These batteries have functioned so well I haven't even bothered opening the OEM battery yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 14, 2012 Share #33 Posted August 14, 2012 This is exactly what I've encountered with Adorama's Flashpoint batteries for the M. I bought two of them last year for $30/ea when I jumped into an M8 body and they worked very well. This year I purchased a brand new M9 and bought another two Flashpoint batteries on a special deal for $15/ea and they are working very well and show up properly in the battery meter. These batteries have functioned so well I haven't even bothered opening the OEM battery yet. I searched the Adorama site, but no mention of Flashpoint batteries for Leica M cameras. Any part number pr SKU Adorama used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikonJeff Posted August 15, 2012 Share #34 Posted August 15, 2012 I searched the Adorama site, but no mention of Flashpoint batteries for Leica M cameras. Any part number pr SKU Adorama used? Adorama ADBM8 Rechargeable Li-Ion Battery for Leica BM8 BM8 On sale for $15.00 with FREE shipping currently... Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonco Posted August 16, 2012 Share #35 Posted August 16, 2012 I tried the Delkin Dual Charger, but it didn't work for me. 1 of my 3 batteries would charge. The others would not. Delkin sent 2 replacement holders that suffered the same thing. All 3 are official Leica batts. Disappointing. $50.00 for the charger. And I read so many good reviews, too! So, I bought a 2/35 Biogon to replace my 1971 Summicron from B&H. Got it today. Not disappointed. So far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 16, 2012 Share #36 Posted August 16, 2012 According to the « FAQ LEICA M8 & LEICA M8.2 - Status September 2008 » leaflet (http://tinyurl.com/8hz5pxx), third party batteries are « not equipped with the charging circuitry dedicated to the camera electronics, therefore malfunctions may occur, such as a false indication of the remaining capacity, or the camera may switch itself off suddenly and unexpectedly. Above all, the camera’s warranty expires if malfunctioning is caused by the use of none-dedicated accessories ». In practice, i mainly use third party batteries myself (DTSE, Oege, unnamed found on e**y) as i don't like to be ripped-off but they all need to be fully discharged in the camera to work properly. See: I think I found a good M8 battery alternative - Leica User Forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 16, 2012 Share #37 Posted August 16, 2012 I tried the Delkin Dual Charger, but it didn't work for me. 1 of my 3 batteries would charge. The others would not. Delkin sent 2 replacement holders that suffered the same thing... Sorry for this bad experience but my sample works perfectly with Leica and third party batteries i must say. Now i fully discharge the latters in the camera before charging them as suggested above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
proenca Posted August 16, 2012 Share #38 Posted August 16, 2012 well, this post is beaten to death, as so the typical answers of "oh my, why will you endanger your 8k camera with cheap batteries, will explode, release toxic stuff, nuclear meltdown if you use non OEM batteries". Well, to be honest, I bought 2 ebay batteries : simply because I have the M9 since its announcement day and there were NO OEM batteries for AGES. I wanted extra batteries and I had to buy chinese OEM stuff. Have 1 OEM ( came with camera ) and 2 NOEM Since then , couple of things happened : 1 - OEM keeps working as intended. Its by far the battery that holds charge better 2 - one of the NOEM holds about 200 shots, if that much. Still take ages to charger as the other two 3 - one of the NOEM holds about 10% less shoots than the OEM - quite pleased with this. 4 - I keep hearing that if you use NOEM batteries with your digital M, polar bears will cease to exist and the icecaps will melt. However, I never saw / heard / read A SINGLE CASE that this happened - damage to camera. Its always "I know a friend who has an uncle which daughters boyfriend, friend to his aunt, had a M who exploded with a NOEM battery" I notice that NOEM batteries when close to minimum charge, they just "shut off" instead of the OEM versions which "fade way". I have no problems using the NOEM batteries - just keeping in mind that if its curcial shooting, I cary a couple of them so that one "shuts down" out of the blue, I have another keep going foward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
proenca Posted August 16, 2012 Share #39 Posted August 16, 2012 well, this post is beaten to death, as so the typical answers of "oh my, why will you endanger your 8k camera with cheap batteries, will explode, release toxic stuff, nuclear meltdown if you use non OEM batteries". Well, to be honest, I bought 2 ebay batteries : simply because I have the M9 since its announcement day and there were NO OEM batteries for AGES. I wanted extra batteries and I had to buy chinese OEM stuff. Have 1 OEM ( came with camera ) and 2 NOEM Since then , couple of things happened : 1 - OEM keeps working as intended. Its by far the battery that holds charge better 2 - one of the NOEM holds about 200 shots, if that much. Still take ages to charger as the other two 3 - one of the NOEM holds about 10% less shoots than the OEM - quite pleased with this. 4 - I keep hearing that if you use NOEM batteries with your digital M, polar bears will cease to exist and the icecaps will melt. However, I never saw / heard / read A SINGLE CASE that this happened - damage to camera. Its always "I know a friend who has an uncle which daughters boyfriend, friend to his aunt, had a M who exploded with a NOEM battery" I notice that NOEM batteries when close to minimum charge, they just "shut off" instead of the OEM versions which "fade way". I have no problems using the NOEM batteries - just keeping in mind that if its curcial shooting, I cary a couple of them so that one "shuts down" out of the blue, I have another keep going foward. officially, you guys su$%. all of you naysayers last day before 3 week holiday, start recharching my batteries and my 2 OEM's dont charge more than 15%, they say are full and dont charge anymore. had to go out and buy my second brand new battery. stop the voodo please I should have kept my mouth shut... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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