M10: A Vital Part

[lct]

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I'm not so sure. No one has said the M10 body will have stabilization, so I must assume it won't. Lenses of that physical size are a tad unbalanced on an M body, which makes hand-holding more problematic...

I guess you're younger than me my friend. We've been using those lenses with our stabilized hands for decades with cameras not that bigger than Ms, the Leica R4 to R7 which looked like dwarfs compared to an M with Visoflex on.

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[pico]

My wishes? Simple.

 

Increase the buffer size to maybe double or more from what we have now [...]

 

I understand what you mean. Faster, more intelligent processing would be good.

 

FWIW, the M9 does not look at the buffer size while in burst mode. It simply stops to process at shot #7, regardless of image size, or buffer content. Try it with the smallest JPEG-only to see.

[bocaburger]

I guess you're younger than me my friend. We've been using those lenses with our stabilized hands for decades with cameras not that bigger than Ms, the Leica R4 to R7 which looked like dwarfs compared to an M with Visoflex on.

 

How many of them were you holding a foot in front of you, viewing on an LCD? And, it's never been [successfully] disputed that for long lens and macro work, hand holding will never give as good results as using a solid support. It's merely a matter of degree, in terms of acceptable unsharpness. What came after the quote you snipped was:

That's especially true if using the rear LCD. So to get the most out of those lenses on an M10, some sort of camera support would be in order, in fact, mandatory with the rear LCD

[01af]

FWIW, the M9 does not look at the buffer size while in burst mode. It simply stops to process at shot #7, regardless of image size, or buffer content.

So mine obviously is broken because with a fast card, it shoots 9 frames at maximum speed before it stalls, in DNG compressed format (didn't try JPEG-only formats).

[sdai]

And a larger VF window to get 1:1 mag. a la R-D1 or larger if possible. I wonder how large should the window grow to fit 35mm framelines BTW.

 

Couldn't agree more ... How difficult is that? :-)

 

 

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[lct]

How many of them were you holding a foot in front of you, viewing on an LCD...

Never heard of EVFs? I don't understand what you want to demonstrate exactly.

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Never heard of EVFs? I don't understand what you want to demonstrate exactly.

 

For the third and final time, I said ESPECIALLY true IF using the rear LCD. Naturally an EVF would allow a steadier hand-hold. The results would still not be as good as using a solid support however. Not my opinion, merely established, accepted fact.

[lct]

And? I still don't understand what you're trying to demonstrate but never mind, let's just agree to disagree if you don't mind.

[pico]

So mine obviously is broken because with a fast card, it shoots 9 frames at maximum speed before it stalls, in DNG compressed format (didn't try JPEG-only formats).

 

I am beginning to wonder if there were not some hardware changes in the M9. Tell me what card you are using and I might just get one. I am using Panasonic SDHC 16gb Class 10 card. 7 pictures in burst mode even with only the smallest JPEG files, in fact regardless of any combination of saved/stored images.

[-ph-]

I start dreaming about an EVF every time I notice that a shot was not framed properly because the viewfinder frame lines do not match the angle of view of my lens...

 

Peter

[01af]

Tell me what card you are using and I might just get one.

Pretec SDHC 433× Class 16 (32 GB). Camera's firmware is v1.162.

 

With the current firmware v1.196, the SanDisk SDHC Extreme Class 10 (32 GB) is faster than the Pretec but slightly slower than the Pretec with v.1.162. Here, I get eight frames in rapid succession in 'C' mode, and a 9th after a 0.5 s hiccup (estimated). And I mean Extreme ... not Extreme III and not Extreme Pro. Maybe the Extreme Pro is faster still but I haven't tried. You might also want to try the (expensive) Panasonic Gold Pro ... not to be confused with Panasonic Gold.

[IWC Doppel]

Not sure if this has been posted, sorry if I am repeating

 

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[rosuna]

Not sure if this has been posted, sorry if I am repeating

 

Huff's 'insight' I hope he's wrong ! Leica M10 – September Photokina Announcement – March 2013 Available from Dealers… | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

 

I hoe he is wrong too... (about the price...).

[rosuna]

And? I still don't understand what you're trying to demonstrate but never mind, let's just agree to disagree if you don't mind.

 

I disagree with your agreement of agree with your disagreement. Not sure. Yet.

[mjh]

For the third and final time, I said ESPECIALLY true IF using the rear LCD. Naturally an EVF would allow a steadier hand-hold.

So you are saying that if you choose to hold the camera in a way that is prone to cause camera shake, even when there is no good reason to do so (since there is the optional EVF as an alternative), then you are likely to run into issues with camera shake.

 

But then again, whose fault would that be?

[mjh]

FWIW, the M9 does not look at the buffer size while in burst mode. It simply stops to process at shot #7, regardless of image size, or buffer content. Try it with the smallest JPEG-only to see.

A more plausible explanation would be that it is raw data that gets stored in the buffer, not processed images. In that case the eventual file size wouldn’t make much of a difference since the data stored in the buffer would be identical, regardless of whether you are eventually saving in DNG or JPEG format (or both). Actually this is the most common use of a buffer in a digital camera: the buffer serves to decouple shooting and processing images, i.e. nearly all the image processing happens downstream of the buffer.

[bocaburger]

So you are saying that if you choose to hold the camera in a way that is prone to cause camera shake, even when there is no good reason to do so (since there is the optional EVF as an alternative),

 

A jittery, nausea-inducing option with far less resolution is hardly what I call "no good reason" for not using the screen. Then again we don't know if the M10's screen will be better than the M9's or not.

 

I own one EVF (Panny) and have used the Oly EVF Leica chose for the X2. To me they are nothing short of awful. I also used an OMD and would have bought the camera in an instant if the EVF had impressed me. I seriously don't understand how anyone who claims to be serious enough about photography to aspire to a $10K camera and $3-5K lenses can with a straight face say that current technology in EVFs is acceptable.

[sdai]

A jittery, nausea-inducing option with far less resolution is hardly what I call "no good reason" for not using the screen. Then again we don't know if the M10's screen will be better than the M9's or not.

 

I actually borrowed my dealer's A77 on demo and took it home tonight, this camera has allegedly one of the best EVFs out there currently ... 2 hours later I can't warm up to it.

 

As a matter of fact, the EVF does not jitter for the most part, so far it hasn't caused any nausea either. So what's the problem? I think it's resolution ... even at 2.4 million pixels - it's far from enough - certainly not enough for critical manual focusing reliably.

 

I also have problems with the colors reproduced by the EVF. Put it this way - it's still like watching TV - not close to life at all.

 

There may be next generation EVFs introduced at the Photokina - notably the one on Sony's A99 but - unless Leica could manage to get their hands on something 2-3 times better than the one in A77. I don't consider it's worth all the hooplas.

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[mjh]

A jittery, nausea-inducing option with far less resolution is hardly what I call "no good reason" for not using the screen. Then again we don't know if the M10's screen will be better than the M9's or not.

You are comparing an LCD screen of unkown specifications to an optional EVF of equally unknown specifications, both components of an unannounced and thus hypothetical camera. What does “far less resolution” even refer to? Less resolution than what?

 

For what it’s worth, current EVFs usually have a higher resolution (1.44 or 2.36 million pixels) than typical LCD screens (1.23 million pixels at best), not to mention the M9’s 230,000 pixels.

[IWC Doppel]

I nearly woke up in a cold sweat at the prospect of a taller and bulkier M. I was really hoping they'd do a bit of an apple thing but in a Leica way and end up with something the same size as an MP with a clearer, neater LCD and a clever prism system that overlaid a colour check on the glass, normal viewfinder when you adjust focus.

 

Here's hoping ......

 

Oh and a wonderfully clever mechanical viewfinder adjustment that provides two integrated magnifications 0.58 and 0.91