egibaud Posted March 10, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, What visor (viewfinder) are you using along with a CV 15mm ? I was told the original one is not ok with the M8 because of the X1.33 ratio. Thanks, Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 Hi egibaud, Take a look here what visor for the CV 15mm and the M8?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 10, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 10, 2007 I got a bright-line viewfinder (also made by Cosina) for a 21mm full-frame focal length and use that. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 10, 2007 Share #3 Posted March 10, 2007 21mm Voigtlander - and when you use the 15mm on a film camera you can use the same viewfinder by ignoring the frame lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted March 10, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 10, 2007 I got the Voigtlander 21 mm. Very bright, nice finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted March 10, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 10, 2007 Hi, What visor (viewfinder) are you using along with a CV 15mm ? I was told the original one is not ok with the M8 because of the X1.33 ratio. Thanks, Eric Don't need one - it's just another thing to carry and strap on/take off. The lens gives a slightly wider FOV then the entire M8 finder with no framelines. Take ten shots, chimp, you'll get it and it will save you time, money and bag bulge... Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted March 10, 2007 Share #6 Posted March 10, 2007 I tip my hat to your definition of "slightly". Yes, the 21 mm finder is not cheap and is a bit of a nuisance. But if you want to know what gets on the sensor you need it. Because the 15/21 mm view is significantly wider than what you can see in the native VF. Whether you care or not is another matter. I sometimes shoot without the external finder too. And am pleasantly surprised how much more got on the frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiolov Posted March 10, 2007 Share #7 Posted March 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't need one - it's just another thing to carry and strap on/take off. The lens gives a slightly wider FOV then the entire M8 finder with no framelines. Take ten shots, chimp, you'll get it and it will save you time, money and bag bulge... Tim Hi Tim, and so now I also know that you don't wear glasses, you lucky man... Sergio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted March 10, 2007 Share #8 Posted March 10, 2007 I tip my hat to your definition of "slightly". Yes, the 21 mm finder is not cheap and is a bit of a nuisance. But if you want to know what gets on the sensor you need it. Because the 15/21 mm view is significantly wider than what you can see in the native VF. Whether you care or not is another matter. I sometimes shoot without the external finder too. And am pleasantly surprised how much more got on the frame. LOL I just got used to it, and know what I'm going to get - I have to say that the framelines for most lenses are pretty much out anyway, so it's just an issue of experience. What I do, FWIW, is to shoot with both eyes open with both the CV and any other lens where the hood obscures the view. Then i can pretty accurately see what's going to be in frame. I'm getting a WATE with the FrankenFinder because Jono says it's cool and that's good enough for me! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted March 10, 2007 Share #9 Posted March 10, 2007 Hi Tim,and so now I also know that you don't wear glasses, you lucky man... Sergio Oh yes I do, I just squash them around a lot! t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 10, 2007 Share #10 Posted March 10, 2007 The lens gives a slightly wider FOV then the entire M8 finder with no framelines. Tim, I might agree with you if you were discussing a 21mm lens, but 15mm is _much_ wider than the viewfinder. I don't wear glasses, but the 24mm framelines almost fill the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted March 11, 2007 Share #11 Posted March 11, 2007 Tim, I might agree with you if you were discussing a 21mm lens, but 15mm is _much_ wider than the viewfinder. I don't wear glasses, but the 24mm framelines almost fill the viewfinder. I'll deal on 'somewhat' ! But don't you agree that the framelines are only ever a loose approximation at best? t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 11, 2007 Share #12 Posted March 11, 2007 But don't you agree that the framelines are only ever a loose approximation at best? Indeed I do, and as I was using a 24mm today I noticed that I was getting more in the frame than indicated than the framelines, If fact I'd go as far as to say that the 24mm fills the entire frame. never mind a 15mm :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted March 11, 2007 Share #13 Posted March 11, 2007 Steve, I'm with you on this. It might be that I've so far mostly shot in the near range, but it seems to me that I get more in the frame than indicated regardless of the lens I use. Aren't the fame lines 'calibrated' to .7 meters? - Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 11, 2007 Share #14 Posted March 11, 2007 The Franken-Finder is much better in the metal than the pictures suggest - handles the WATE (set to 21-24-28), the 21mm Elmarit (set to 28), the CV 15mm (set to 21) and the CV 12mm (set to 16). The spirit level (which glows green in the dark) after being "charged up" by daylight) is very useful. No more converging verticals unless you want them. If you're buying the WATE, it makes sense to buy the finder as well and if you're buying it on the 30%, it's a no-brainer. Separately, it's £480; with the lens it's £280, with the 30% off, it's under £200 which, given a replacement hood for the WATE is a boggling £106, is a steal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted March 11, 2007 Share #15 Posted March 11, 2007 The Franken-Finder is much better in the metal than the pictures suggest - handles the WATE (set to 21-24-28), the 21mm Elmarit (set to 28), the CV 15mm (set to 21) and the CV 12mm (set to 16). The spirit level (which glows green in the dark) after being "charged up" by daylight) is very useful. No more converging verticals unless you want them. If you're buying the WATE, it makes sense to buy the finder as well and if you're buying it on the 30%, it's a no-brainer. Separately, it's £480; with the lens it's £280, with the 30% off, it's under £200 which, given a replacement hood for the WATE is a boggling £106, is a steal. That was my logic too - you'll remember the issues I had with the 35 lux I had on 30% discount - well it got sent back and I'm getting the WATE and finder instead. I have just found someone on the DPreview forum that has coded a 35 biogon and posted some very sharp pics so I'm getting one of those instead! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiolov Posted March 11, 2007 Share #16 Posted March 11, 2007 That was my logic too - you'll remember the issues I had with the 35 lux I had on 30% discount - well it got sent back and I'm getting the WATE and finder instead. I have just found someone on the DPreview forum that has coded a 35 biogon and posted some very sharp pics so I'm getting one of those instead! Tim Tim, may I suggest that you also consider in addition to the 35 biogon the 25 biogon also? It is the sharpest lens I ever tried. This is a link to a pair of test shots at full resolution. PROVA RISOLUZIONE ZEISS 2,8 25mm Sergio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 11, 2007 Share #17 Posted March 11, 2007 Indeed I do, and as I was using a 24mm today I noticed that I was getting more in the frame than indicated than the framelines, If fact I'd go as far as to say that the 24mm fills the entire frame. never mind a 15mm :-) Shooting the 24, do you find the 35mm lines a compositional aid, a hindrance, or invisible? And what do you do about the damn lens hood? scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 11, 2007 Share #18 Posted March 11, 2007 Scott, I don't find the 35mm framelines to be a problem. Perhaps that's due to shooting with a 50mm and learning not to use the 75mm framelines. Again the hood doesn't bother me, but I may have been conditioned by using the Nocti :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstotler Posted March 12, 2007 Share #19 Posted March 12, 2007 Hi, What visor (viewfinder) are you using along with a CV 15mm ? I was told the original one is not ok with the M8 because of the X1.33 ratio. Thanks, Eric Eric, I wanted to weigh in with the "no viewfinder" vote. I don't use a viewfinder at all with the 15. The 15 is so wiiiiide that I handle it by imagining a circle around me and figure that the 15 will pick up about 1/3rd of that circle when I shoot. I chimp the results and then shoot again if needed. The only reason I put the camera to my eye is to keep the horizon straight--but I often shoot from the waist (with the strap around my neck) and just get the ends of the strap even and pull down to get things reasonably level. A side effect of this is being able to hold the camera/lens "locked in" steady when shooting. (Helps with the f/4.5 and slow speeds.) And the waist-level perspective seems to work OK. As I've said in other threads I consider the 15 an "M8-to-digital-snappy" kit because infinity starts at like 6 feet. So dial in the speed to get exposure and snap snap snap snap snap. Find your favorites in post. Not "deliberate" shooting but it does work. Takes some of the Teutonic precision away from the M8's capabilities but makes it really fun to shoot. The wide stuff I have on Flickr was taken with the 15 using this tactic. Just my take--good luck! Here's a sampling of shots with the CV15 using no viewfinder (and most shots not even looking through the M8's rangefinder): CV15 - a photoset on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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