Fang Posted July 18, 2012 Share #1 Posted July 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Guess which of these Landscape shots are taken with the D-Lux5 and which are taken by my M9? The M9 took me more than 20 minutes to set up with the RF Lee Filters / tripod etc while my D-Lux 5 only took me seconds with handheld Lee filter with the Live View. That is why my wish for the M10 is the Live View with auto focus assist functions. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/183889-d-lux5-better-than-m9-for-landscape-why/?do=findComment&comment=2065593'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Hi Fang, Take a look here D-Lux5 better than M9 for Landscape - Why ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
proenca Posted July 18, 2012 Share #2 Posted July 18, 2012 first and second : Dlux third : M9 for one, its not fair to compare - light conditions are very different from one to another - I know that it took time to setup and light was chagning quickly but... The M9 is well worth the effort. Image is worlds apart better. Exposition is better on first image, composition is better on the M9 one. M9 slows you down for landscapes and for landscape photography thats a good thing - and it shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laki Posted July 18, 2012 Share #3 Posted July 18, 2012 Guess which of these Landscape shots are taken with the D-Lux5 and which are taken by my M9? just some hint: next time other names than "04.Pantai Nirvana M9" and remove the exif information... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share #4 Posted July 18, 2012 just some hint: next time other names than "04.Pantai Nirvana M9" and remove the exif information... Oops sorry - anyway the message is my wish for the M10 to have live view and auto focus assist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinner Posted July 18, 2012 Share #5 Posted July 18, 2012 Hi Fang, just my view but it depends why you have this wish? If you want to take quick photos then why not just take the DLux, if you want a better quality image take the M9 (using your examples as evidence). Live view and and auto assist on a M9 will not mean that I would take better quality images, it might be quicker but not necessarily better. With regards to live view and auto focus assist: I don't understand the need for any auto focusing functionality with landscape shots like this and when you're taking your time over a landscape shot I don't see what the problem is with taking a quick test shot and using the playback for any composition or exposure adjustments? If the absence of these functions annoyed me I probably would look for a different camera system as I didn't commit to the expense of an M expecting or wanting the camera to follow the crowd. Nothing wrong with wishing for this extra functionality on a body if I thought it would help but I wouldn't expect it to improve my image over and above what the M9 gives me at the moment? I guess Manufacturers need to introduce new functionality to keep the sales momentum up and appear to keep up with the competition and we will continue to fall into the trap, as I frequently do too! Best wishes Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted July 18, 2012 Share #6 Posted July 18, 2012 For web and small prints, D Lux is fine. Make a large one and you will see the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted July 19, 2012 Share #7 Posted July 19, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) In my opinion, the third image is much better than the other two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted July 19, 2012 Share #8 Posted July 19, 2012 In my opinion, the third image is much better than the other two. Agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns_ng Posted July 20, 2012 Share #9 Posted July 20, 2012 You will see a difference if you print large. At A2 size, the D-Lux 5 will run out of pixels. Using GND, polarizing filters with the M is a pain. I do use Lee filters but only with R lenses that have now been converted to alpha mounts, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotharZhou Posted July 20, 2012 Share #10 Posted July 20, 2012 I briefly used the Lee filters and found it's a pain in the a**s to focus, sold it in after a few months. The dynamic range from M8 and 9 are already excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted July 21, 2012 Share #11 Posted July 21, 2012 To be honest this thread really should be titled "D-Lux5 better than M9 for GND filters" ... Setting up grads on rangefinders or any camera without through the lens visualization is an exercise in frustration and has no bearing on the quality of the camera's results, just the user's ability to correctly position and balance the filter. Oh, and I agree that of the three images the last M9 one does look the best and most subtle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted July 21, 2012 Share #12 Posted July 21, 2012 I agree, the last image looks great, but what this also proves is that the D-Lux 5 is surprisingly capable for a compact camera. Of course, it can't compete with the M9 if you are going to make huge enlargements -- but you can still get pretty large prints. Tonality and dynamic range will be more evident in some subjects than others. I think one area you can spot the difference is in the more sharpened edges of the D-Lux5. The M9 can produce a distinctive 3D look. Even without filters, auto white balance can be varied on the M9. Below, two shots taken less than a minute apart, with the M9 and 50 Summicron and the D-Lux 5. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/183889-d-lux5-better-than-m9-for-landscape-why/?do=findComment&comment=2068266'>More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted July 21, 2012 Share #13 Posted July 21, 2012 David, thanks, Different tools with different results. The D-Lux 5 image is pretty darned nice, IMO. I wouldn't mind having one in my bag with the M-body! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 22, 2012 Share #14 Posted July 22, 2012 The M9 took me more than 20 minutes to set up....... 20 minutes very well spent in creating something nice, against just seconds to create something horrible? Get your priorities right. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share #15 Posted July 22, 2012 20 minutes very well spent in creating something nice, against just seconds to create something horrible? Get your priorities right. Steve With due respect in photography it takes only a second to miss an opportunity for a great photo. Hence the reasons why I have posted 3 varied shots at different light situation - mind you that the DLux shots were made hand held with shorter exposure while the M9 shots were with the tripod and filters. BTW I know my priorities - this post was to simulate debate and not my priorities. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share #16 Posted July 22, 2012 I agree, the last image looks great, but what this also proves is that the D-Lux 5 is surprisingly capable for a compact camera. Of course, it can't compete with the M9 if you are going to make huge enlargements -- but you can still get pretty large prints. Tonality and dynamic range will be more evident in some subjects than others. I think one area you can spot the difference is in the more sharpened edges of the D-Lux5. The M9 can produce a distinctive 3D look. Even without filters, auto white balance can be varied on the M9. Below, two shots taken less than a minute apart, with the M9 and 50 Summicron and the D-Lux 5. Thanks David. Nice photos. It does demonstrate a point I am trying to make here is that it takes less than a minute of lighting situation to change and opportunity between a good and a great photo. Reason why I lust for Live View in the M10 is the opportunity to see the image shot at that moment. Filters are not only about the dynamic range of the camera nor the white balance - GND filters help in the distribution of light and slower the shutter speed which creates better images especially with the water and clouds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carduelis Posted July 24, 2012 Share #17 Posted July 24, 2012 I have never tried using Lee Filters on my Ricoh GXR with Leica M lenses yet because I don't have the RF system, but I could work pretty quickly with the larger ones for SLRs. I could probably set up the tripod with camera and filters, cable release, spirit level in hot shoe in a couple of minutes. I guess the smaller RF filters must be fiddlier. I think you get quicker with more practice and being prepared (for instance all my digital SLR lenses have the adapter rings already attached to them and have white plastic caps that fit over them). Certainly Auto Focus helped but there should not be too much trouble with manual focus lenses if you know your lenses and where your optimum hyperfocal distance settings are on the lenses. I really enjoy the above experience of landscape photography, the decision making and creative side of it, and think that overall the effort must pay dividends. Filters such as ND grads are necessary at times, particularly when you observe at least five-six stops difference between the brightest spot in the sky and the dullest spot in the foreground low down. I think the average digital camera can only deal with about three stops difference of light in exposures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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