wlaidlaw Posted June 17, 2012 Share #1 Posted June 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was looking in Paul van Hasbroeck's Leica History book today, hoping to find a photograph of all three versions of the 280/f4.8 Telyt V, so I could send them to a Philippines seller to help her identify which version she was selling. I had no success with this but in reading though various sections of the book regarding the use of tele lenses on the Visoflex, I came across a rare error. P v H states that there were two versions of the 135mm f4 Tele-Elmar, neither of which sadly had removable heads, so that they cannot be used on a Visoflex. He shows a picture of the lens he refers to, which is identical in every respect to my 135 Tele-Elmar. However my Tele-Elmar, like I suspect all other 135 T-E's, does have a removable head. Just to prove it, here are two pics of the detached head being used. The first image is the head being used as a macro lens on a Novoflex Bellows. The second photo is the much more common application of the head being used on a 16464K focusing mount (focuses to infinity). Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181952-rare-error-in-paul-van-hasbroecks-leica-history/?do=findComment&comment=2042115'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 17, 2012 Posted June 17, 2012 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Rare error in Paul van Hasbroeck's Leica History. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted June 17, 2012 Share #2 Posted June 17, 2012 Yes... he did some confusion about : it is true that two versions do exist, but it is only the second one (with built-in hood) that hasn't anymore the lens unit unscrewable (it is rather rare). Clearly he makes also completely wrong statements in the final paragraph on the T-E 135... it never had any optical correction unit, which is exclusive of the Tele Elmarit 2,8. To be precise, the first version had two variants in the finishing of the body (knurling) and also an internal modification just around the lens unit (it had a small baffle, which had to be removed to mount on Viso - then was eliminated) Probably he didn't love so much 135s... : he also forgets to dedicate a small chapter to the Elmar 135 f4 (indeed, quotes it in the Elmar 135 4,5 chapter), which was a new lens at its times, and is the real predecessor of the Tele Elmar (not the Hektor... another mistake). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted June 17, 2012 Share #3 Posted June 17, 2012 Luigi, the second picture shows how I often used my Tele-Elmar! But the fact is that I do not regard van Hasbroeck as a particularly reliable source. My copy is full of pencilled corrections. This is especially the case with lenses, a subject that van Hasbroeck obviously did not understand very well and did not particularly care about – except indeed about minute differences in the mounts, or prototypes. Most collectors seem to be that way, very mechanically minded. You are of course an exception, Luigi! The Kodachromed man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 17, 2012 Share #4 Posted June 17, 2012 Luigi, the second picture shows how I often used my Tele-Elmar! Me too... prolongued when needed... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (rough pic taken with cellphone... ) Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (rough pic taken with cellphone... ) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181952-rare-error-in-paul-van-hasbroecks-leica-history/?do=findComment&comment=2042363'>More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 17, 2012 Share #5 Posted June 17, 2012 Wilson, on recommendations from Jaap and others on this forum, I'm looking for the very lens your pal in the Philippines is selling, the Telyt-V 280, if its a version 3. Perhaps an opening for an honest broker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share #6 Posted June 17, 2012 Wilson, on recommendations from Jaap and others on this forum, I'm looking for the very lens your pal in the Philippines is selling, the Telyt-V 280, if its a version 3. Perhaps an opening for an honest broker? Peter, The serial number is 21234XX. This is very close to my 280 Telyt Series 2, which is 2122793, so I am pretty sure it is a series 2 as well. It would therefore be of no interest. Luigi/Lars, Do you by any change know the serial number ranges for the series 3 Telyt 280V? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 17, 2012 Share #7 Posted June 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) According to Lager (very trustable for Canadian items) 280V3 started at 2.340.953: only doubt arises from the Puts' lists which quote a batch of 280 starting at 2.340.801 (to 2.342.300), and the previous bacth, one year before, ending at 2.298.950; this last must be surely a batch of V2s... 2,340.801 is listed as a batch from (in theory) 1969, which looks to be consistent with the date of intro (1970) also because the subsequent batch is dated well later (1974). Is it possible that 2.340.801 to 2.340.952 are the last V2s ? Could be... the V2 (11912) was listed till 1970 (Lager) and after all it was the last 280 that could be mounted on the old Visoflex I...a certain demand probably endured... But at the same time I think that would be strange to mix two completely different lenses in the same batch (even if the numbering is no way a Bible..), also considering that 280 has been a "slow to sell" item : my one is from the very last batch (3.059.588), dated (that means "reserved") in 1980, and the lens was listed till 1984... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 17, 2012 Share #8 Posted June 17, 2012 I was looking in Paul van Hasbroeck's Leica History book today, hoping to find a photograph of all three versions of the 280/f4.8 Telyt V, so I could send them to a Philippines seller to help her identify which version she was selling. I had no success with this but in reading though various sections of the book regarding the use of tele lenses on the Visoflex, I came across a rare error. Wilson Wilson, I posted on www.summilux.net the different versions of the 280's You can copy the pict if they are an help for you Objectif Leica pour Visoflex - Telyt-V 280 mm f/4,8 (1961-1984) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 17, 2012 Share #9 Posted June 17, 2012 [ According to Lager (very trustable for Canadian items) 280V3 started at 2.340.953: only doubt arises from the Puts' lists which quote a batch of 280 starting at 2.340.801 (to 2.342.300), and the previous bacth, one year before, ending at 2.298.950; this last must be surely a batch of V2s... 2,340.801 is listed as a batch from (in theory) 1969, which looks to be consistent with the date of intro (1970) also because the subsequent batch is dated well later (1974).Is it possible that 2.340.801 to 2.340.952 are the last V2s ? Could be... the V2 (11912) was listed till 1970 (Lager) and after all it was the last 280 that could be mounted on the old Visoflex I...a certain demand probably endured... But at the same time I think that would be strange to mix two completely different lenses in the same batch (even if the numbering is no way a Bible..), also considering that 280 has been a "slow to sell" item : my one is from the very last batch (3.059.588), dated (that means "reserved") in 1980, and the lens was listed till 1984... According to Lager officially the s/n of this 100 unit lot began at 3 059 601 from 1978 13 lot were used for the total issues of the Telyt 4.8/280 starting at 1 850 001 in 1961 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share #10 Posted June 17, 2012 Wilson, I posted on www.summilux.net the different versions of the 280'sYou can copy the pict if they are an help for you Objectif Leica pour Visoflex - Telyt-V 280 mm f/4,8 (1961-1984) JC, Many thanks for that. The one in the Philippines is now 100% identified as a series II but I will save a copy of these photos in my Leica odds and ends file and hope it will help me track down one of these elusive series 3. I bid on one at Westlicht but got out bid by €10. I really want to find one before my next safari in December, as I was really quite disappointed by the results from my series II in Namibia last year. Very low contrast in bright sunlight. I wonder if a polariser might help. I do have a big circular polariser, as part of a Cokin P kit. To make matters even easier, I have just checked and as luck would have it, I actually already have a 58mm Cokin P adapter ring, so I will give it a try tomorrow. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 17, 2012 Share #11 Posted June 17, 2012 JC, Many thanks for that. The one in the Philippines is now 100% identified as a series II but I will save a copy of these photos in my Leica odds and ends file and hope it will help me track down one of these elusive series 3. I bid on one at Westlicht but got out bid by €10. I really want to find one before my next safari in December, as I was really quite disappointed by the results from my series II in Namibia last year. Very low contrast in bright sunlight. I wonder if a polariser might help. I do have a big circular polariser, as part of a Cokin P kit. To make matters even easier, I have just checked and as luck would have it, I actually already have a 58mm Cokin P adapter ring, so I will give it a try tomorrow. Wilson eBay | Leitz Canada Telyt 4,8/280 mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 17, 2012 Share #12 Posted June 17, 2012 I think that is a series II, JC, it has scalloped rings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share #13 Posted June 17, 2012 eBay | Leitz Canada Telyt 4,8/280 mm JC, I saw that but was not at all sure about it. It looks like half way between a series 2 and 3. It has the camera end of a 3 but the front part looks like a 2, with the intermittent knurled rings rather than the continuously knurled rings it should have. I wondered if it might be a "cobbled together" lens by someone other than Leica. The serial number falls into "it could be either series" range. I don't want to pay out that money, just to find I have another series 2 optical formula lens. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 17, 2012 Share #14 Posted June 17, 2012 I think that is a series II, JC, it has scalloped rings. This means only that it is an earlier III the II do not have this button on the flange to pass from horizontal to vertical and the s/n is 2 341 233 part of the first batch.also the filter dia E66 and so on : ask to the seller he is a professional dealer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 17, 2012 Share #15 Posted June 17, 2012 I think that is a series II, JC, it has scalloped rings. In my collection I have some different lens which are of the same lot, some with scalloped rings and some with fine kurnled lines that makes collecting funny. Wilson, you can make an offer telling that the lens need a CLA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share #16 Posted June 17, 2012 JC, I note it also has the fat body all the way down, not tapered behind the head unit like my series 2. I am a bit concerned that the seller states that it has some haze on the second element. That would mean it would have to go to Malcolm Taylor for cleaning and possibly re-coating. I do need it by December and with Malcolm, that would probably be unlikely. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 17, 2012 Share #17 Posted June 17, 2012 JC, I note it also has the fat body all the way down, not tapered behind the head unit like my series 2. I am a bit concerned that the seller states that it has some haze on the second element. That would mean it would have to go to Malcolm Taylor for cleaning and possibly re-coating. I do need it by December and with Malcolm, that would probably be unlikely. Wilson Wilson, you can make an offer telling that the lens need a CLA contacting directly the seller, by the way it is the only one I saw on the web and in EU ..(no customs to pay) or be patient and seek everyday if some one appears, by experience this version do not show up frequently but who know.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 17, 2012 Share #18 Posted June 17, 2012 Peter, The serial number is 21234XX. This is very close to my 280 Telyt Series 2, which is 2122793, so I am pretty sure it is a series 2 as well. It would therefore be of no interest. ............................. Thank you Wilson. What do you think of your series 2? Did you say recently that you thought it an interesting lens but not really up to scratch, or have I got it very wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 17, 2012 Share #19 Posted June 17, 2012 I was not aware there were two versions of version III. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 18, 2012 Share #20 Posted June 18, 2012 I have two 280/f4.8 Telyt V, version 3, one SN# 2713xxx from 1974, another SN# 2757xxx from 1975. They look slightly different. IIRC, the optics are the same though. According to the wiki, version 3 was made (1970-1984). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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