philipus Posted June 10, 2012 Share #1 Posted June 10, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) http://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=47_51&products_id=4347 Was it possible at some point to have lenses repainted like this by Leica as a standard "upgrade" or is the result of an individual initiative by a former owner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 Hi philipus, Take a look here Leitz Summicron 90mm Cream Paint Finish. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted June 10, 2012 Share #2 Posted June 10, 2012 I'm convinced it is a third-party repaint. Not worth the money imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 10, 2012 Share #3 Posted June 10, 2012 Surely 3rd party... and very kitsch imo,,, considering that is a rather rare screw mount SOOZI (not the super rare Wetzlar, anyway) also a good disruption of originality and value Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 10, 2012 Share #4 Posted June 10, 2012 Red Dot still seem to think it's worth £1400... How much would a non-painted one be worth? About £2000 if a BIN on eBay is anything to go by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted June 10, 2012 According to my Leica Preisführer 8th edition, which is from 2000 so likely pretty outdated, this lens with the removable hood is an R8 in terms of rarity and worth 2,200$/1,500£/3,500DM. R8 is defined as "exhibition item" (R7 is "exceptionally rare" and R9 "almost unique"). Perhaps this is the basis for Red Dot's pricing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted June 10, 2012 Share #6 Posted June 10, 2012 Hello phillipus, Since this is an unusual early version of a 90mm Summicron under any circumstances & it does include the shade: If I was satisfied with using the optics of a SOOZI. & if I was satisfied the lens was mechanically (including the screw to bayonet adapter) & optically sound. & if the paint seemed to be done correctly even if it might have some minor subsequent bibbles & imperfections. & if I would use a bright chrome 90mm Summicron. Then: I would seriously consider buying it @ what would be a reasonable price for a chrome SOOZI or less. Then, once it was mine, I would contact Leica, give them the serial # & ask them its history. If it turns out it is a repainted not by Leitz/Leica chrome lens I would then consider which of the various directions I might travel in. To be continued if necessary. Best Regards, Michael Please keep in mind: I am primarily a user & not a collector. But, I also try to watch a penny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted June 10, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks Michael. That's sounds like a sound way to approach buying it. I already have two 90s (but I know some here who don't stop at that ) and I was mainly very surprised to see a Leica lens in this colour. Looks a bit like those bright lenses sport photographers use! Cheers Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted June 11, 2012 Share #8 Posted June 11, 2012 With regard to Michael's suggestion of contacting Leica with the serial number, for any information they may have, I would have thought that, with such an unusual item, Ivor at Red Dot might have done this already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 11, 2012 Share #9 Posted June 11, 2012 Thanks Michael. That's sounds like a sound way to approach buying it. I already have two 90s (but I know some here who don't stop at that ) and I was mainly very surprised to see a Leica lens in this colour. Looks a bit like those bright lenses sport photographers use! Cheers Philip Please just note if not already done that this lens, originaly a SM was next modified in M mount, the red bulb witnessed it and next looks that the M mount was unglued/unscrewed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 11, 2012 Share #10 Posted June 11, 2012 Please just note if not already done that this lens, originaly a SM was next modified in M mount, the red bulb witnessed it and next looks that the M mount was unglued/unscrewed. Yes... the screw mount is clearly new (or "restored"), and even its fitting screws look cream-painted... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted June 12, 2012 Share #11 Posted June 12, 2012 Hello Jean Claude & Luigi, The SM to Bayonet conversion was noted in Post # 6 above. What is the relevance of the existence of a locating dot in a factory conversion? Would not a factory conversion of SM to Bayonet by permanantly attaching a 14098 have included a now necessary locating dot? 4 screws might help to hold the weight of a large 90mm Summicron better than just glue alone like on a 35mm Summicron. Even if this was not a factory conversion: If the work is as good as a factory conversion (unknown @ this point): So what? User talking here - collector may OR MAY NOT disagree. The pictures look quite good. Pictures (including here & now) are rarely a good thing to use to make a decision 1 way or the other for a variety of reasons. I would want to see this lens in person before making a decision of this type whether I was a user or a collector. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 12, 2012 Share #12 Posted June 12, 2012 Some picts to illustrate my comments above : "Please just note if not already done that this lens, originaly a SM was next modified in M mount, the red bulb witnessed it and next looks that the M mount was unglued/unscrewed." Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181452-leitz-summicron-90mm-cream-paint-finish/?do=findComment&comment=2038070'>More sharing options...
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