runes Posted May 31, 2012 Share #1 Posted May 31, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) So I just bought an M6, my first M-camera. Got it Sunday, shot some test rolls Monday. Left them at the lab Tuesday and got the negatives and scans back today. However on some of the pics the left part of the negative is "dark". I didn't write down the F-stop/shutter combo on all of the test shots, but I did on some and it SEEMS like the problem is only on the pics where the shutter speed was 1/1000. I think I've read something about this kind of problem before, but not with fast shutter speeds, only slow (under 1/20). By looking on the pictures - what do you think is the problem, and what could/should be done to fix it. The pics are just cheap scans from the local lab, and all I've done is adjusting the levels. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/180725-wtf-is-this-a-shutter-problem/?do=findComment&comment=2028056'>More sharing options...
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runes Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share #2 Posted May 31, 2012 A few pics just to show how the pics without the problem looks. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/180725-wtf-is-this-a-shutter-problem/?do=findComment&comment=2028060'>More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted May 31, 2012 Share #3 Posted May 31, 2012 Shutter service required. CLA will sort it. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runes Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share #4 Posted May 31, 2012 Shutter service required. CLA will sort it.Pete Thanks Pete. Do you happen to know if it is a quick fix or a bigger operation. I'm going on holiday on Sunday, and there's no way I'll be able to have it fixed locally. Hopefully I can leave it at an Leica expert in for instance Paris and have it back in a day or two before I leave for another place. Is this realistic, or too optimistic? Could you also maybe explain what the problem is? Is it the second shutter that is too slow? Too fast? Something else? best wishes, Rune Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted May 31, 2012 Share #5 Posted May 31, 2012 This is called shutter capping: the second curtain catches up with the first curtain before the edge of the frame is reached. It usually means the first curtain slows down before it should. This can be from dragging, dried out lubrication, or curtain brake acting too soon. My M4 and M6 (both bought new) eventually developed shutter brake issues that required a CLA. I'd say get it fully serviced rather than trying a quick-fix. It will pay in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 31, 2012 Share #6 Posted May 31, 2012 Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runes Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted May 31, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is called shutter capping: the second curtain catches up with the first curtain before the edge of the frame is reached. It usually means the first curtain slows down before it should. This can be from dragging, dried out lubrication, or curtain brake acting too soon. My M4 and M6 (both bought new) eventually developed shutter brake issues that required a CLA.I'd say get it fully serviced rather than trying a quick-fix. It will pay in the long run. I will most definitely have it fully serviced ASAP, but I'd also like to bring it with me on our honeymoon. We're leaving this Sunday, and will travel Europe for a month. I've sent an mail to Photo Suffren in Paris, and cross my fingers that they are able to fix it either Monday or Tuesday before we continue our travel. Hopefully they will be able to do a "rush service CLA", if not I'll probably go for a quick fix now, and send it in for a full CLA when we return back home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted May 31, 2012 Share #8 Posted May 31, 2012 Perhaps it's been sitting unused for a while. Try releasing the shutter a few hundred times tomorrow then put a film through and get it developed and scanned on sat to see if the lubrication has loosened. You never know. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runes Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share #9 Posted May 31, 2012 Perhaps it's been sitting unused for a while. Try releasing the shutter a few hundred times tomorrow then put a film through and get it developed and scanned on sat to see if the lubrication has loosened. You never know.Pete Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Can't hurt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadside Posted June 1, 2012 Share #10 Posted June 1, 2012 How about using it for your holiday but not using 1/1000th second and get the camera cla'd afterwards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runes Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share #11 Posted June 1, 2012 How about using it for your holiday but not using 1/1000th second and get the camera cla'd afterwards? That, sir, is actually my back up plan if Photo Suffren is unable to fix it during my few days in Paris. I already have an ND filter for my 50 cron, and I'm gonna buy a 52mm ND for my 35mm/1.2 Voigtländer as well. Those are the two lenses I use the most, so as long as I can use them I'll be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted June 1, 2012 Share #12 Posted June 1, 2012 Pictures taken with slower shutter speeds should still be OK, safest would be to stay below the flash synchronization speed. In those cases the shutter is fully open instead of using a slit exposure. This is where the demise of Agfa Dia-Direct (32 ASA or even 16 ASA?) is felt. It was a fantastic film btw. Taking pictures inside was a minor challenge, usually using a wall or other unmoving object for extra support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xalo Posted June 1, 2012 Share #13 Posted June 1, 2012 Good choice, Photo Suffren. Hope for you they can squeeze your M6 into their tech's schedule. Only problem is, if you go to the shop, you will usually walk out with something you didn't necessarily think of before... count this in when you get an estimate for the CLA Cheers, Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbylon Posted June 1, 2012 Share #14 Posted June 1, 2012 As others have said. The core needs removing from the shell, light shield taken out and the roller and drum bearings lubricated so no quick fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runes Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share #15 Posted June 1, 2012 I shot another test roll today. First I shot the scene at 1/500, then at 1/1000. You see the results below. If I'm lucky I'll have the camera fixed in Paris, if not I have two options as I see it: - I'll just have to live with 1/500 as the fastest shutter speed this summer, and send the camera in for CLA when I'm back home. - I bring the original box, strap etc. with me to Paris and try to make a trade - my camera + cash for a 100% working M6. Thanks for all the help so far. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/180725-wtf-is-this-a-shutter-problem/?do=findComment&comment=2028915'>More sharing options...
xalo Posted June 1, 2012 Share #16 Posted June 1, 2012 More seriously, solving the problem in Paris will likely take a bit of time. Did Suffren get back to you? Basically all shops I know around here would take your camera for deposit sale but not for part exchange. Two years ago, Suffren sold my M6 in need of a CLA and new speed dial detent in a breeze, but at a quite low (still fair) price that accounted for the repair it needed. You would get your cheque in the mail a month after the sale. You could call La Maison du Leica for comparison. Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runes Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share #17 Posted June 1, 2012 Hello Alexander. I just got the reply from Suffren. They offered to take a look on it on Tuesday (closed on Monday), but if it should need a bigger repair (which it probably needs) there is a 3-4 weeks wait. So is seems I will have to do without 1/1000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xalo Posted June 1, 2012 Share #18 Posted June 1, 2012 Well, let them have a look, their technician does this quickly in the back office, leaving time for scanning the shop and a chat. And as you probably know, les Champs de Mars are only a few steps away, so an excursion to their quarter is not lost time. If it does not work out, eventually, an M6 up to 1/500 is still much better than no M6... Let me know if you need local addresses for buying low iso film (Suffren does not carry much stock and is film wise not the most competitive). Best, Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runes Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share #19 Posted June 1, 2012 Let me know if you need local addresses for buying low iso film (Suffren does not carry much stock and is film wise not the most competitive). Best, Alexander Yes please. I will be bringing some film, but am planning to buy some on the way as well. Rune Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xalo Posted June 1, 2012 Share #20 Posted June 1, 2012 Rune, closest to Suffren (still not next door), around Montparnasse you have Dupifphoto (no more Rolleipan and no Pan F since a while - Acros, Plus X and FP4, Portra; not too cheap); a surprisingly well sorted fridge (Portra, NPS, Pan F, Fomapan, Fuji slides) and quite good prices I discovered last Saturday in the back of Le Grand Format (Boulevard Beaumarchais, close to Bastille - hard to miss, La Maison du Leica is next door, same group); probably the best film choice and ok prices (still no <50 iso ) has Negatifplus(p.15-16), closer to Gare de Nord, not too far from Opéra either. Dupif and Negatif+ are also my b&w and colour labs, respectively. Quick turnaround (12h-24h, usually). Disclaimer: I have no commercial or professional link to any of the businesses above. I just want to see the film photo scene here stay alive in diversity . Have a good trip! Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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